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@Asdasdasdff Now that a page for the 2012 general senate elections exists, should the Recalls for that year be formated similar to other special elections in general election years (such as 2020 and the 7th congressional district special). So 2012 (recall)? Or are they notable enough that they should be kept as is? Talthiel (talk) 14:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the 2012 recalls can remain their own article because it's such a unique situation. But I should have made reference to the recalls in the article. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 15:44, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, I meant within this template, should the spot in the elections template be formated as "2012 (recall) • 2012" or as "2012 (recall)" (basically should the template leave the recalls as a separate event or should they be moved into a parenthesis of the General, as they're in the same year, like how the special elections for the 2020 congressional election, so 2020 (7th sp) are formatted @Asdasdasdff. Apologies if I am not being very clear. Talthiel (talk) 15:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see. I kind of like that change. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 16:12, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Asdasdasdff So I was doing some searching and I remembered the Wisconsin Insurance Commissioner was an elected office from 1881 until 1911, So do you think we could include that office on the sidebar? I intend to include it in pages for Wisconsin elections in the years the office was elected, but could we also include it on the sidebar template, or should we leave it out like we do the Superintendant of Public Instruction? Talthiel (talk) 18:57, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think both insurance and public instruction belong in the sidebar if there are articles for their elections. Also prison commissioner was a statewide elected office at one point. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 19:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What about Lieutenant governor elections, could, or should, we include them too? (to ask as a side-question) Talthiel (talk) 19:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder if those older LG races should just be included as a section of the gubernatorial election article for that year rather than as their own article. I could go either way. If they have their own article, they should be included on the sidebar imo. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 19:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking we could include them in the year's election articles as a section, so for example having a Lieutenant Governor section in "1956 Wisconsin elections."

Additionally, would being a section of another page warrant inclusion in the sidebar? Since the Madison and Green Bay mayoral elections are included, even though they redirect readers to sections of the list articles for each city's mayoral elections. Talthiel (talk) 19:46, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, not sure. The Madison and Green Bay elections used to be separate articles that subsequently got merged, and I don't think anyone ever adjusted the sidebar. I don't have strong feelings either way. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 04:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside @Asdasdasdff Do you think we should make full fledged pages for elections like the ones mentioned above, so Lt. Governor, Prison Commissioner, Insurance Commissioner, Superintendant of Public Instruction, etc. Or are they not noteworthy enough to warrant pages of their own, and should be left as sections of yearly election pages? Talthiel (talk) 00:14, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'm leaning toward just including them in the yearly pages. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 15:22, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The more I think about it, the more I actually lean in the opposite direction. Obviously we aren't part of the projects working on other states, but looking through other state election sets they have some different offices that have election pages"

• Lt. Governor: Alabama, Arkansas, California, Delaware, Georgia, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Texas, Vermont, Virginia, and Washington, among others, all still hold and have pages for Lt. Governor elections while Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, all have pages up to the time that office's elections were abolished.
• Superintendant of Public Instruction: Arizona and California have pages for Superintendant elections going back to 2018 and 1994 respectively.
• Commissioner of Labor: Oregon has pages for elections to this office in 2014, 2018, and 2022.
• Commissioner of Public Lands, Washington has pages for elections to this office for the upcoming elections in fall 2024.
• Commissioner of Insurance: California has pages for this office going back to 1994.
• Auditor General: While numerous states hold elections to this office, Michigan used to elect this office, before they amended their constitution and turned it into an appointed position in 1962.

Now I do this to not force the issue of making new articles, but more that us making articles for Lt. Governor, Superintendant of Public Instruction, Police Commissioner, etc., aren't entirely unwarranted or unfounded. Ideally I'd want to see your thoughts on the matter if we are to proceed at all. @Asdasdasdff Talthiel (talk) 21:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And as a counterpoint I found a lot of offices which were similar to your idea, merged into the yearly election pages for that state. So I think things could go either way personally. Talthiel (talk) 21:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't feel strongly about it. I don't think I'll be digging into these very often unless they overlap with another category I'm working on, but if you want to go for individual articles I'm happy to work with that architecture. My default a long time ago used to be to go for maximum information, but I got tired of dealing with AfD merges/deletions. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 23:25, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'd really appreciate all the help I could get. I think we'd be able to go ahead with maximum information, if possible. I think we should be safe since most of the offices we'd make articles for are constitutional offices (ignoring the de-facto Superintendant and then Commissioners of Prisons and Insurance), and I assume that the norms could have changed between when you said you had to deal with mergers/AfDs and the present Talthiel (talk) 23:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an aside, if we do ever plan on making articles for Superintendant elections, I have been finding some sources we could use/reference in making such articles

2021 Race:

• The race for Wisconsin schools superintendent
• Jill Underly's fundraising, buoyed by Democrats, unprecedented in state superintendent race
• Jill Underly to become next Wisconsin superintendent of schools
• State Superintendent Candidate Jill Underly Stresses Equity, Keeping Funds In Public Schools

2017 Race:

• DPI race between Tony Evers, Lowell Holtz centers on future of education in Wisconsin
• Tony Evers Wins Third Term As State Superintendent

2013 Race:

• Wisconsin schools superintendent candidates clash on major issues

I don't know if these will ever be useful, but I guess it is better to have some stuff somewhere than nowhere at all @Asdasdasdff. Talthiel (talk) 19:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I do plan on making articles for Lt. Governor elections, starting with 1968. But on another note, do you think theres enough material that we could cobble together a page on the 2012 recall? I feel like its notable enough in its own right, but I am unsure how much news around it there was. @Asdasdasdff. What are your thoughts on that? Talthiel (talk) 22:38, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think most of what you'll find about the LG recall is some random stupid quotes from Kleefisch. My recollection is she said a lot of stupid things that got picked up by news. But other than that I don't recall much attention on the LG race. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 00:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So I have done some reading and the dynamics do seem a bit interesting, at least to me. So far I've gathered the following points from reading various articles:

1. the Recall seemed to be, in a way, over Kleefisch being a rubberstamp for the Walker administration
2. Something Kleefisch campaigned on was the fact that, if Mitchell was elected, there could be a Democratic acting governor every time Walker left the state and there would be discord due to different parties occupying what is traditionally a team/paired offices

Also a thing I noticed with the Lt. governor recall was just how little people seemed to know about it, which could be mentioned, though I am likely stretching the definition of "content" for an article with all of these aforementioned points @Asdasdasdff, though it was still stuff I found interesting in the brief searching online I did. Talthiel (talk) 03:18, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, it definitely makes sense for this to have an article, and if you make one I'll dig into whether I can find other interesting stuff. -- Asdasdasdff (talk) 16:39, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]