Template talk:Liturgical year

This template is being worked on by WikiProject Christian liturgical year.

The inclusion of Masturbation is likely in error. Possibly a misunderstanding of Palm Sunday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gekaap (talk • contribs) 15:25, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The article on Epiphany covers the whole time, so I modified the Template to link to that, rather than redlinking to Epiphanytide. Feel free to change that if it doesn't work, though. I got rid of a couple other redlinks as well. I moved the "Easter (season)" article, which seemed like an awkward title, to Eastertide so that what was already in the template worked. Pre-Lent, which had also linked red, I made a redirect to Septuagesima, which covers that time, not just the one Sunday. Jonathunder 04:39, 2005 Mar 21 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I think there is a question about nomenclature for these seasons and feasts. There is no one agreed system. Gareth Hughes 10:55, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

As the linked article for Kingdomtide indicates, it (a) was never generally observed in the western calendar, (b) was never co-terminous with Ordinary Time, and (c) has fallen into disuse. I am therefore going to remove it. Vilĉjo 09:45, 17 May 2007 (UTC) Yes, it is not "Western", but particular to some modern denominations. I agree. Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This template has some specific problems - what is cjames' Fast? the "Eastern" tradition does not have "Ordinary Time" or Septuagesima. What about Oriental, which includes the ancient non-Calchedonian Churches? E.g. The Fast of Nineveh is not found outside of the Oriental churches but in them is very important. I suggest this template be eliminated and the legitimate content put to "see also". --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 13:26, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

[1] 173.238.231.208, please find a reliable source which speaks of "Ordinary Time 1" and "Ordinary Time 2". I learned meanwhile from the version history that you added this numbering some time ago also without a source. However, it is just Ordinary Time.--Medusahead (talk) 09:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In this table, why is "Ordinary Time" indented, in the list headers, under "Epiphany?" Logically, it should be at the same header-level as the rest—it's not a subset of Epiphany. Isamuel (talk) 21:11, 5 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Different liturgical traditions use different names for different seasons, but the various traditions follow the same general outline. This template tries to show the general outline while also giving the more precise names (indented) found in specific traditions. Some Western traditions use "Ordinary Time" to designate the post-Epiphany and post-Pentecost seasons; hence it is indented under those items. Jdcompguy (talk) 05:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you're saying, and I see now that there are also indented items under "Pentecost" in the same fashion, which I hadn't seen clearly before. But that just makes me ask about the indentation conventions here. Items indented under another item in a list seem like they should be "part" of that item, or "examples" of that item—"Pre-Christmas" is an example that satisfies this. But it's weird that with both Epiphany and Pentecost, the indented list items that follow are basically just chronologically *after* the thing they're indented under. Does this make sense? I'm not sure what the better solution is here and it seems like a minor point I'm sure, but it's sticking in my craw. Thanks for engaging with this. Isamuel (talk) 22:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The "Epiphany" and "Pentecost" items link to Epiphany season and Pentecost season respectively. In certain liturgical traditions, "Ordinary Time" is the name given to both "Epiphany season" and "Pentecost season." When you speak of Ordinary Time being chronologically after, you're probably thinking of the feasts of Epiphany and Pentecost, not the seasons. Jdcompguy (talk) 00:36, 8 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]