Template talk:Year in Europe

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The template shows the alternative "Sweden-Norway" in 1815-1905. This is a problem, because both Sweden and Norway has their own separate year-articles, and with this name on the template, it does not lead to articles such as 1861 in Sweden and 1861 in Norway and so forth. Separate year-articles for Sweden and Norway in 1815-1905 are justified, because though they were in union with each other, they did have their own government and administration and laws. A similar problem is the one with "Denmark-Norway", which causes the template not to link any of Denmark's or Norway's Year-articles before 1814. While Norway was indeed a Danish province for centuries until 1814, they still have separate year-articles here, and as they are different nations now, that is as justified as the separate year-articles of Scotland and Ireland and Wales, which has their own Year-articles despite them being regarded as part of England/Great Britain for centuries. Perhaps there are other examples, but of those I am aware, Denmark, Sweden and Norway have their own year-articles and the Year-template should link to those. I therefore think that for the template to work for those, the "Denmark-Norway" (until 1814) and the "Sweden-Norway" (1815-1905) should be split to Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Unfortunately, I do not have the skills to do that. Can any one perform this? --Aciram (talk) 23:16, 25 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've split Sweden and Norway into its constituent parts, because as a personal union the countries don't seem to have fully united into a single country, unlike Denmark and Norway. For the latter I added Denmark and Norway as a subgroup of Denmark–Norway (i.e. in brackets after it). SiBr₄ (talk) 09:09, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your decision. Problem is solved then. Thank you very much! --Aciram (talk) 13:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Finland (a Swedish province in until 1809 and then a Russian province until 1917) should be given the same solution as Denmark-Finland, if the years prior to 1917 here: List of years in Finland are ever given articles? --Aciram (talk) 14:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since the respective year articles for Finland don't exist, and those for the then parent country Sweden do (those for Russia not, however), there is no practical problem that's solved by adding constituent parts in brackets, unlike with Denmark–Norway. Having virtually no experience with year articles apart from creating this template, I can't say whether or not pre-independence year articles for Finland will/should be created. SiBr₄ (talk) 14:52, 27 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In the article 1760 in Sweden, the template at the bottom has two ·'s between San marino and Spain. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 01:28, 16 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I saw the same thing. The first · is the one output normally after San Marino. The second one is output after the second-level list items under Soviet Union. There appears to be a problem when neither the top-level item, nor the second-level items exist. But I don't currently know how to fix this. --David Edgar (talk) 09:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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There are two dots instead of one right of Denmark and Slovenia at least in the 2022 version template. Can this be fixed? Johnson524 (talk) 00:48, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Well, that was a difficult error report to track down, but the section above helped. I have fixed the problem by introducing an #if test that hides the second-level bullets completely when they should not be displayed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:58, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Iazyges and David Edgar, just for fun. Is five years too long to wait to make a navbox bullet disappear? – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:59, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hardly! I'm told we had an article explaining how the moon used to blow up every eclipse for some time; templates are much more arcane.Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 09:35, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I can't thank you enough! :D -- Johnson524 (talk) 13:02, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I've created a 1907 in Iceland page, can you please add it to the table. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 15:53, 27 August 2022 (UTC) Thief-River-Faller (talk) 15:53, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: That section of the template lists only sovereign countries. Iceland was not a sovereign country until 1918 or 1944, depending on where you find your information. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:40, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you please add 1906 in Iceland to the table. Thief-River-Faller (talk) 11:32, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: That section of the template lists only sovereign countries. Iceland was not a sovereign country until 1918 or 1944, depending on where you find your information. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:41, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add 1905 in Iceland Thief-River-Faller (talk) 11:39, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: That section of the template lists only sovereign countries. Iceland was not a sovereign country until 1918 or 1944, depending on where you find your information. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:41, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add 1904 in Iceland Thief-River-Faller (talk) 11:53, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: That section of the template lists only sovereign countries. Iceland was not a sovereign country until 1918 or 1944, depending on where you find your information. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:41, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation Jonesey, would it not fit in the 'Dependencies, colonies

and other territories' section? Thief-River-Faller (talk) 12:43, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know enough about the subject area to determine that. Perhaps ask at History of Iceland, with a link to this page and some explanation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:19, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Description of suggested change: Please add Northern Ireland to the Dependencies, colonies and other territories section. Some political entities inhabit a special position guaranteed by an international treaty or another agreement, thereby creating a certain level of autonomy (e.g. a difference in immigration rules). Those entities are sometimes considered to be, or are at least grouped with, dependent territories, but are officially considered by their governing states to be an integral part of those states. Examples are Åland (an autonomous region of Finland)[3] and Northern Ireland (a constituent country of the United Kingdom).

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Privybst (talk) 12:49, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit template-protected}} template. The lead of Northern Ireland says "Northern Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom that is variously described as a country, province or region." As far as I know, it has the same status as England, Wales, and Scotland. Northern Ireland#Descriptions uses a lot of words, but none of them are "dependency", "territory", or "colony". – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:43, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95, ok, whart is the best venue to establish a consensus for this alteration? Privybst (talk) 14:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Start a discussion at Talk:Northern Ireland. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Jonesey95 Thanks, I will consider doing this. By the way I found Template:Sovereign states of Europe which differs from this template in Akrotiri and Dhekelia, Svalbard and Northern Ireland. Do you know what is the reason for this difference? Privybst (talk) 17:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The reason for the difference is that nobody is in charge of Wikipedia. It's just millions of monkeys typing away. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Can someone please add 1502 in Norway here?

Thanks. HandsomeFella (talk) 16:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Completed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 06:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I suggest the above edit to be reverted, as it is not done properly. Error introduced: Norway is no longer displayed in the template after 1814. Oceanh (talk) 19:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Reverted * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To editors Pppery, HandsomeFella and Oceanh: it appears that all this revert did was to remove Norway from the template in the 1502 in Norway article. Since 1814 is the highest date in this template, Norway is not supposed to appear in this template after that date. Am I missing something? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 04:55, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To User:Paine Ellsworth, yes you are missing something. Norway is apparently not supposed to appear in this template between 1397 and 1536, when it was part of the Kalmar Union. But it is supposed to appear after 1814. To include the three members of the Kalmar Union (Sweden, Denmark, Norway) from 1397 onwards, more elaborate logic is needed. The reverted edit just messed up by introducing errors. Thanks to User:Pppery for fixing the error. Oceanh (talk) 07:51, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To editors Pppery, HandsomeFella and Oceanh: Norway cannot appear in this template after 1814 because that is the latest date in this template for Norway and allows Norway to appear at the bottom in the 1814 in Norway article. Please show any other article where Norway is supposed to appear in this template after 1814. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 08:03, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To User:Paine Ellesworth. Choose any article, 2023 in Albania, 2023 in Andorra, 2023 in Armenia, 2023 in Austria, (…), 2022 in Albania, (…), where Norway now appears, as it should. Hundreds or maybe thousands of articles. Oceanh (talk) 08:26, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Beginning to sense how complex is this template. There are three entries that include Norway:

• {{Year in Europe/expr|{{{1}}}|{{{XDN|♦}}}|1536|1814|name=Denmark–Norway}}{{#if:{{Year in Europe/expr|{{{1}}}|{{{XDN|♦}}}|1536|1814|name=Denmark–Norway}}|
  • {{Year in Europe/expr|{{{1}}}|{{{XNO|♦}}}|1536|1814|name=Norway}} }}
• {{Year in Europe/expr|{{{1}}}|{{{NO|♦}}}||1030|1035|1397|1814|name=Norway}}

And there is an entry for the Kalmar Union:

• {{Year in Europe/expr|{{{1}}}|{{{XKU|♦}}}|1397|1536|name=Kalmar Union|the=the}}

Trying to understand how Norway makes it into the 2022 and 2023 templates when those years are not even included in this template? And another thing... Norway does not show up in this template in the 1397 in Norway article, and there is no 1035 in Norway article. What's up with all that??? P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 10:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is probably a reason this template is protected. I am not allowed to edit, but as a trained programmer I am able to understand the template code without too much effort. For the 2023, 2022, 2021, (…) articles: The template code tells to display Norway in all articles after 1814 (this year included). For 1397, say, only the Kalmar Union is displayed, and neither Denmark, Norway nor Sweden are displayed. Oceanh (talk) 11:17, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That's enlightening, thank you for that! Got a full plate at the moment; at some point I want to delve into this, because it seems like there should be some way to grant the original request without violating the template in later years. Thanks again! P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:35, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Update template to show Nagarno-Karabakh republic only for the years between 1991 and 2016. Per the referendum held in February 2017, the name shown should be "Artsakh" from 2017 to 2023. For 2024 and after, it should be excluded per the Artsakh government's decree and to reflect what all the wiki articles say, including the main Republic of Artsakh article. If any assistance is needed for fixing the code, feel free to ping me. Thanks! Dan the Animator 03:50, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please make your requested changes to the template's sandbox first; see WP:TESTCASES. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link: Template:Year in Europe/sandbox — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:51, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@MSGJ: I made the correction over on the sandbox you linked. It looks like it works perfectly well and doesn't cause any errors but ping me back if there's any other issues keeping it from being added to the main template. Thanks! Dan the Animator 19:58, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also not that it makes a huge difference imo but I just duplicated the NKR iso-code for Artsakh (which technically is fine). From what I know about iso-codes though, Artsakh (with that name) should have its own (different) one but I can't find it on iso's databases. As far as the template's concerned, NKR and Artsakh are de jure the same entity so there is no practical issue with using the same iso-code for both. Dan the Animator 20:01, 6 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done sorry for the delay in responding — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:22, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Correct North Macedonia links to 2024 in North Macedonia instead of History of North Macedonia. Borgenland (talk) 08:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Borgenland, could you please describe, what problem this request is trying to solve? Please include wikilinks to where you see the issue. —⁠andrybak (talk) 11:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It’s for the 2024 in Europe template down at the external links. When I click on Macedonia, it points to history rather than year. Borgenland (talk) 11:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done: Special:Diff/1234452854. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:46, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]