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Furniture merge comment
[edit]Just to be sure... you are aware that that section of the talk page has been inactive since July of 2007, and the merge long ago was closed as a no merge, right? If not, please check the timestamps on comments before responding. if a section's been dead for months on end, and the merge tag template is no longer on the article, odds are, it's over. ThuranX (talk) 05:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
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aircraft-project
[edit]Just for your information - You recently changed the aircraft-project to no in Talk:DINFIA IA 35, with the explanation that it was a production aircraft not a project. I have reverted your change as the tag means it is a wikipedia aircraft project nothing to do with the status of the aircraft. MilborneOne (talk) 12:55, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
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TAM
[edit]Hey,
I'm currently working on the TAM (tank) article, with the ultimate goal of taking it through featured article candidacy (as I do with all of my tank-related articles), but unfortunately the only really good source I own is Javier de Mazarrasa's La Familia Acorazada TAM, which is from Spain. Although another three books are used as sources where they can be used, the majority of the information provided is from the stated book. I was wondering if you knew of any other book published in Argentina which covered the TAM in detail, and where I can buy it. Although I believe that this article will pass the A-class review, I don't know if it will make it through the FAC with only one major source. I plan to masquerade this by adding a new section when I pick up one of my books from my cousin's car's trunk (de Mazarrasa's book Carro de Combate AMX-30E - also has details on Venezuela's AMX-30s) covering how the TAM compares to other tanks in service on the continent (mainly, Venezuela's AMX-30s, Brazil's Leopard 1A1s (I'm not sure when Brazil is supposed to get the "new" 1A5s) and Chile's recently acquired Leopard 2A4s). That way there will be an entire section with sources other than those already used, and it will look as if the article is far more versatile in regards to references. However, I'd still like to know if there are other good and detailed sourced on the TAM which I could buy. I'm avoiding websites because two of the ones I have visited (globalsecurity and FAS) are not reliable (some of their information is incorrect, at that) and any other websites are really not verifiable or reliable. In the article Nahuel (tank), of which you've written most of what is currently there, I see the book Blindados Argentinos, de Uruguay y Paraguay, Ayer y Hoy - does that contain any information on the TAM? If it does, I'd like to look for it and see if I could buy it on the internet.
In any case, thank you for your time. JonCatalán (talk) 04:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for your reply! I bought my copy of Mazarrasa's book while I was living in Spain, but you can probably find it on the internet (he is one of the most sold authors on this type of topic from Spain). In regards to how the TAM compares to other tanks, I would agree that when comparing armor and firepower the TAM is not in the same league as the Leopard 2, but I doubt the Leopard 2 would have the degree of mobility that the TAM has in the Pampas, or even in the Amazon jungle (referring more to Brazil - I would bet money that this is one of the reasons why they still hesitate about replacing their Leopard 1s with Leopard 2s). I mean, even Chile's Leopard 2s are deployed along the Peruvian border, as I doubt they would be as effective as the TAM in the mountains. I agree that the TAM could probably be upgraded, but I don't think the lack of money should define its role, which was my main argument - its role in the Argentine Army, in my opinion, remains the same as any other main battle tank. Although, I do consider the TAM a superior tank to the AMX-30 and Leopard 1 (it actually has greater armor protection!). And, I will continue looking for Fogliani's book. Thanks, again! JonCatalán (talk) 05:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
- I left some comments on the TAM page. JonCatalán (talk) 23:45, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Hey, you can purchase de Mazarrasa's book here. Also, here. Do you have the names to those magazines? Perhaps I could find them by emailing the editors? Thanks! JonCatalán (talk) 03:34, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- We're treating it like vandalism. One of his accounts has been blocked, and once I can get a hold of an admin on IRC I will get his IP blocked, as well. JonCatalán (talk) 21:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
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Re:Inappropriate link in the "TAM" article
[edit]Thanks for the message. The external link looks, at least for my ignorant eye on the subject, pretty good. But then again, I don't have a clue on the subject. Good wiking, Mariano(t/c) 07:22, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
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Looking for help... How do I "bookmark" an article?
[edit]Hi, would greatly appreciate if anyone can give me advice on how do I "bookmark" an article that I'd like to read later (as is usually done in "paper" books, including encyclopedias).
I've already placed a question in the Help Desk, maybe it's better to answer there.
Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 07:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I don't know about "bookmarking", but you may click on the "watch" tab and it will place the article on your watchlist. When you're ready to view the list of articles of your interest, simply click on the "my watchlist" tab, and the articles you "watch" will be sorted by the latest timestamp in which the article was last edited. I hope that answers your question. Have a great day. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ guestbook ♦ contribs 07:48, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thanks for the fast response. I ommitted here (but did mention in the Help Desk) to say that I'm already doing so, but there are heaps of articles that I'm not interested in tracking changes; but just mark them for later reference. Have a g'day too! DPdH (talk) 07:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
{{helpme}}
- Your best bet is to create a subpage (say, User:DPdH/Bookmarks) and just populate it with a list of the articles you want to keep an eye on. Also, for future reference, please place the {{helpme}} tag with your question--makes it a bit easier for us! :) [roux » x] 08:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- OK, good workaround, thanks. It'd be very nice if bookmark were a functionality already included in "Wikipedia". Maybe for a future release? Regards, DPdH (talk) 08:20, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Well, in that case, why not bookmark it with your browser instead? Depending on the browser you are using, bookmarking or marking a page in your favorites is relatively easy. - Jameson L. Tai talk ♦ guestbook ♦ contribs 08:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
- Your best bet is to create a subpage (say, User:DPdH/Bookmarks) and just populate it with a list of the articles you want to keep an eye on. Also, for future reference, please place the {{helpme}} tag with your question--makes it a bit easier for us! :) [roux » x] 08:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
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Fighter aircraft contributions
[edit]I just wanted to drop you a note to express my appreciation for your efforts to contributing to improving the Fighter aircraft article and its offshoots. Please see my response to your question there and explained where we are in a long-term attempt to improve this set of articles. If you're interested in the subject, we can certainly use a few more hands! Cheers, Askari Mark (Talk) 03:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Right now, the main focus is the Fighter aircraft article, which is considered a “core article” for Wikipedia (one of those that any decent encyclopedia should have). Once we get that fixed up, we can export the improvements to the “1st Gen” and “4th Gen” articles. The main thing we need right now is to add sources for much of the extant text. Since so little has been cited yet and much of the material is pretty basic, there’s a lot of “low-hanging fruit” out there (from both online and print sources). If you haven’t worked that side of Wikipedia, it’ll be a good learning experience – not just about sourcing, but you may also find material worth adding. The article currently reflects the personal historical and technical knowledge of a handful of us that needs to be retroactively sourced; this approach has been driven by the short timeline given to clean up the article for WP 0.7. (I was actually working on overhauling the F-16 Fighting Falcon article, which I am still not finished with.) If we had held to finding sources as we went, there’s no way we could have shaped it up in time. What exists is pretty much a “go” for WP 0.7. Now, it’s more a matter of going back and doing it right with sourcing. That will help advance the article to where it can make GA or even FA class and thus qualify for WP 1.0. Does this sound like something up your alley? Best regards, Askari Mark (Talk) 04:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, most of my library is packed up and in storage, too. Something about having a family means having them expand to fill all space available – and only your space is negotiable! ;-) Askari Mark (Talk) 16:03, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
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James Craig
[edit]I have reverted your edit to the disambiguation page James Craig.
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Re:ARA Patagonia
[edit]The reason I removed the empty sections was because (to me) it looked messy, and I prefer not adding section headings until I have a line or two of content. That said, if you re-added the sections, I would have no objections, -- saberwyn 22:29, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
South Georgia/ARA Guerrico
[edit]If you know of first hand accounts of the reason the ARA Guerrico exposed herself I would be most interested to read them. Contrary to what you may infer from the spats I've had with Jor70 I am interested in telling both sides of the story and I have worked jointly with Darius on a number of Falklands articles that do tell both sides of the story. Regards, Justin talk 10:45, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
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"Primary/Other Users" in Aircraft Infobox.
[edit]Reply from BillCJ, related to my inquiry about "Users" in aircraft infobox. DPdH (talk) 08:00, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
DYK for ARA Rivadavia
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Helibras
[edit]DPdH, I could use some assistance on the Helibras article. (I know Spanish and Portuguese are related, and somewhat mutually intelligiable, so you might do better looking at this than I would, whterh or not you know Portuguese.) The current "products" list in our article makes it appear that Helibras manufactures 19 different types of helicopters, while the company's wabsite lists 11 models. What I'm unclear about is the extent in which Helibras actually contributes to these models in production. I believe Helibras assembles some Eurocopter modesl, and may be a subcontractor on others, but I am unable to distinguish between the two without a greater understanding of the language. Thanks for whatever you can do. - BillCJ (talk) 20:46, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
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historical pictures
[edit][1] there from all time, including 1982s, perhaps we can use some. --Jor70 (talk) 20:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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Dust Storm
[edit]Hi,
I have one question on the dust storm in Australia: How bad have it hit Melbourne?--Gilisa (talk) 20:59, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
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WPArgentina
[edit]The criteria used for topic, class and importance can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Argentina/Assessment. Thanks for the offer of help, but if you don't mind I would like to empty Category:Unassessed Argentine articles and Category:Unknown-importance Argentine articles all by myself. I have moved to this project recently and my idea is to fill my watchlist with argentine articles, to be able to track changes and revert vandalism on the periods I'm not editing. I know I can do that more easily by other means, like copying and pasting categories contents in it, but I thought it would be better to add them in a manner that helps along the way with maintenance. MBelgrano (talk) 14:40, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
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If you would like to participate, please sign up by 11 November 2009, 00:00, when the first round is scheduled to begin! You can sign up here, read up on the rules here, and discuss the contest here!
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The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : XLIV (October 2009)
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ELMA
[edit]Que tal che!, feliz año !. FYI I stubbed ELMA article. --Jor70 (talk) 16:34, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the additional information and the photo addition to the 1968 Recoiless rifle article
[edit]Another member and I worked and worked to try and find a suitable photo. Thanks for the help. It makes the article look a lot, lot better.--Jackehammond (talk) 05:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
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COAN
[edit]Hi, I created the Argentine Naval Aviation article and now I really need your help to fill the List of Argentine Naval Aviation aircraft --Jor70 (talk) 11:33, 10 February 2010 (UTC)