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MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:09, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Govvy. You have new messages at DonQuixote's talk page.
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DonQuixote (talk) 19:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited 1908–09 Chelsea F.C. season, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Hull.

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 Fixed Govvy (talk) 13:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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TarnishedPath^talk 12:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Was just coming here to do this, too. Sorry for the template, Govvy, it's what lets other editors see that you've been made aware so they won't retemplate you. Valereee (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath and Valereee:, my post was in regards to a YouTube video, I don't know why the post was removed from the talk page. O and TarnishedPath, why posted the Arab–Israeli conflict above, when my post was itself related to the topic of Zionism. What you did was a shutdown on the topic I opened up about content on the page. This effectively leaves up a false statement on the main page. Zionists wanted to create a Jewish state in Palestine. This is an erroneous statement, the land is the Levant, and not Palestine. There never was a Palestine. British Palestinian Mandate was the division of the Levant. Govvy (talk) 16:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Govvy, the entire talk page is about that. Please read the talk page so you can understand what's been discussed. Valereee (talk) 22:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: Zionism is about a people returning to their homeland, this is not about a conflict to say an entire page is about a conflict is wrong. @TarnishedPath: Why did you template my page exactly? Because that template is regarding new editors to wikipedia and those edits to actual pages and not about starting conversation on talk pages. Again, all as I ask is for an apology. Govvy (talk) 07:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Govvy, when I searched the edit history on your talk it appeared that you've never been notified of CTOP. Given you were making arguments based on a YouTube video I felt it appropriate to notify you. There's no suggestion that you've engaged in any misbehaviour. If you wish for editors not to leave CTOP notices in the future, I'd suggest having a look at Template:Ctopics/aware for adding a notice to the top of your talk page and Template:Contentious topics/alert/first for a list of codes to use. Regards, TarnishedPath^talk 08:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TarnishedPath: Far as I am concerned there was simply no reason to template a user who has been editing wikipedia for nearly 20 years and Valereee said he wanted to template me also! Pfft. I've often had people template my page and a lot of the time, I don't think half these people read the templates themselves. :/ Govvy (talk) 08:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a he. Govvy, I explained why the template was needed, even for a longtime editor -- it's to keep someone else from templating you for the same thing. I did say I was sorry to be having to template you, as I figured you probably did know this stuff. But I'm seeing that you do seem to need the information that template is providing.

• The sanctions under CTOPs absolutely do include talk pages.
• Zionism (and Talk:Zionism) absolutely falls under Wikipedia:Arbitration/Index/Palestine-Israel articles.

Valereee (talk) 09:37, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not a he? Tarnished templated me, not you, besides, I am not caring anymore, I am just disappointed and feel there are too many people with dogmatic ideals. Did you know earlier this year I was on the tube and these people got onto the carriage screaming to kill all the Jews. I had to get off out of there at the next stop. It's a horrible experience hearing people want to wipe my people off the face of the Earth. Then there are these pools of people on wikipedia, that simply want to write something, without knowing it antagonises the same people. Words are powerful, and they need to be carefully selected. Have they really been carefully selected for these articles? That article is saturated with opinion pieces. Neutrality out the window. I really don't want to say anymore and rather just stick to football articles because clearly people have too much hate and don't think rationale. Govvy (talk) 12:35, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You wrote Valereee said he wanted to template me also! I was just pointing out that I'm not a he.

I'm so sorry that happened to you. That sounds horrible.

I agree that words need to be selected carefully, especially at contentious topics. There are editors who have been working on exactly that for months now, which is why a new discussion was closed: there are already multiple discussions of the exact issue you were opening a new discussion on at that article, and having those discussions in several different sections is counterproductive.

All we're trying to do when we template is 1. make sure you understand you're now in a minefield and 2. make sure no one else templates you for the same thing. Valereee (talk) 12:42, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]