User talk:JAF1970

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		The Working Man's Barnstar
		For your work on Spore (video game), dealing with platform and release date issues. Yamla 17:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

		The Xbox Barnstar
		Jump in - For a seemingly never-ending stream of excellent edits to Xbox-related articles, I reward you, JAF1970, ze Xbox Barnstar! xenocidic (talk) 17:40, 9 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on the Murcer article!  Frank  |  talk  01:19, 13 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I just did the cleanup that it needed. JAF1970 (talk) 07:11, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. The edit had what could be taken for a mocking tone. If that's wrong, go ahead and restore it. A source and a more neutral description would also help. --Rrburke^(talk) 22:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a matter-of-fact tone. JAF1970 (talk)

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Go to 2ksports.com/games. Its say, quote: "Release Date Mar. 02, 2009" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwjkp (talk • contribs) 02:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware of the site. They also listed NBA 2K9 a day early (Ship date) and every 2K Sports game, including FOM. JAF1970 (talk) 02:45, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If 2KSports says the 2nd of march is the release date, there is no debating that. Jwjkp (talk) 02:47, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It. Is. the. SHIP DATE. Check WP:VG. JAF1970 (talk) 02:48, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

JAF, please point to the section of WP:VG that clarifies the difference between ship dates and release dates. Also, unless you can provide a reliable source that specifically states the release date is 3/3/09, then the 3/2/09 date should stand.

For the record -- and this is directed at both JAF1970 and Jwjkp -- this was a silly edit war in December and it is still a silly edit war. Find a way to come to a consensus. Thanks, caknuck _° resolves to be more caknuck-y 20:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The difference is all the press releases me, PastaPadre, etc got from 2K. I can't just post it because it's "original research". (rolling eyes). I'm seriously tired of Wikipedia. I've been dealing with video games for THIRTY years, and a published writer in the field for 15. I'm tired of kids who weren't tying their own shoelaces when I was first published telling me how ship and release dates work. Seriously. Tired. JAF1970 (talk) 20:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Caknuck. I also asked this at the wikipedia IRC channel and they all agreed with me also. One even made a comment on the MLB 2K9 discussion page. Jwjkp (talk) 20:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question: When MLB 2K9 fails to be on released on a Monday - its ship date- and is on store shelves on Tuesday, will you apologize for doubting me? JAF1970 (talk) 21:00, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A Request for Mediation to which you were are a party was not accepted and has been delisted. You can find more information on the case subpage, Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Major League Baseball 2K9. For the Mediation Committee, Ryan Postlethwaite 22:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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I'm writing you this because your behavior has now become a violation of Wikipedia policies. Therefor this is your warning (from me) to stop. I'm also writing this with the future intent of having a simple reference to point moderators to in the event you still continue your unproductive edits across Wikipedia video games articles. This should help them make the decision to block you more easier. You may delete this from your talk page, but I'll still at least have the history link to it to provide.

You have been told by numerous people that are involved in the Video Game project that your interpretation of release dates for video games are incorrect. A good overview of the guidelines for release dates are stated here. Obviously you have yet to agree. Thus you have continued to go against what you have been told and have been editing articles about video games on Wikipedia that go against guidelines for the release dates and have been putting "in-store" release dates over "ship dates". In many cases you have been reverting the correct edits continually despite what you have been told. And example of this is found here. A brief look at your history of contributions shows you have also done this to many other video game articles in the past.

You have started, or partaken, in many argumentative discussions about the issue of release dates. Here is listed three of them:

1. MLB Front Office Manager
2. Major League Baseball 2K9
3. Video Game Project Discussion Page

In all three many different Wikipedia members, a majority of them a part of the Video Game Project, have informed you that your biased view of release dates is incorrect. Either way, you view fails to meet general consensus.

Consensus among a limited group of editors, at one place and time, cannot override community consensus on a wider scale. Source

You have very limited support for you views. As shown in that list of 3 discussions you have been a part of. Your view also goes against what WP:VG/DATE clearly states about release dates.

Your main support for your claim is your superior knowledge of how the Video Game Industry works because you have been a part of it for decades. This is irreverent. You can not cite your source as yourself. Many reliable sources such as IGN, 1UP, Gamestop, and many other gaming sites seem to agree with the view of the Video Game project on Wikipedia that release dates are the date it ships out to retailers. Almost all video game publishers are officially announce their release date as the date they ship it out. There are cases where the day its in the stores is the release date but these are very few and far between.

Take this for example:

Problems arise when editors see their own bias as neutral, and especially when they assume that any resistance to their edits is founded in bias towards an opposing point of view. The perception that “he who is not for me is against me” is contrary to Wikipedia’s assume good faith guideline: always allow for the possibility that you are indeed wrong, and remember that attributing motives to fellow editors is inconsiderate. Source

You need to allow yourself to accept you just are not correct on this issue, no matter how you see it.

Here is some examples of "problem editors" as stated here:

You find yourself repeating the same argument over and over again, without persuading people.

If your arguments are rejected, bring better arguments, don’t simply repeat the same ones. And most importantly, examine your argument carefully, in light of what others have said. It is true that people will only be convinced if they want to be, regardless of how good your argument may be, but that is not grounds for believing that your argument must be true. You must be willing to concede you may have been wrong. Take a good, long hard look at your argument from as detached and objective a point of view as you can possibly muster, and see if there really is a problem with it. If there isn't, it's best to leave the situation alone: they're not going to want to see it and you cannot force it. If there is a problem, however, then you should revise the argument, your case, or both.

Your citations back some of the facts you are adding, but do not explicitly support your interpretation or the inferences you draw.

The policy on original research expressly forbids novel syntheses of other sources.

Basically, as shown in those two last examples and more found here, you are what Wikipedia considers a tendentious editor.

Please take note of this section of that policy:

Editors who engage in this behavior generally fall into two categories: those who come to realize the problem their edits cause, recognize their own bias, and work productively with editors with opposing views to build a better encyclopedia – and, well, the rest. The rest often end up indefinitely blocked or, if they are otherwise productive editors with a blind spot on one particular area, they might be banned from certain articles or become subject to probation.

You are not agreeing with the general consensus of the Video Game project and continue to change the release dates of articles to match your biased view. As stated above, this is not acceptable. Being that, disregarding release dates, you are a productive editor, you could face being banned from editing certain articles or subject to probation if you continue.

Again, this is your official warning from me on this issue. If you continue, in order to protect the integrity of Wikipedia Video Game articles, you will be reported for violation of the WP:TE guidelines, which is a nutshell of WP:CON. I am, hopefully, going to be helping the Video Game project correct many video game articles across Wikipedia to reflect the correct release dates as confirmed by WP:VG/DATE and the Wikipedia Video Game Project. In the event this happens you should respect the decisions of the Video Game Project as these edits will conform to not only guidelines, but general consensus. Wikipedia needs conformity across video game articles on this issue. Otherwise we are doing a disservice to not only Wikipedia but also its readers. Since Wikipedia consensus and guidelines have been determined to be against your point-of-view on this issue, you should cease to put it in articles.

There is no need for you to respond to this. I will not entertain any comments you make on it. If you still feel obligated to state your case, please take it up here. JeremyWJ (talk) 07:09, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikipedia Loves Art! (February 27) The Smithsonian American Art Museum will be holding a Wikipedia Loves Art! meetup on Friday, February 27 from 5-7 pm in the Kogod Courtyard. This is a photography event involving Wikipedians, along with Flickr users and others, to generate content for Wikipedia. Come share your experiences, meet the other teams, and take some photos! While RSVPing isn't necessary drop Jeff Gates an email if you're planning on attending so he can get a head count: gatesj (at) si.edu. There also is a signup list here, along with detailed information. The museum is conveniently located across from the Gallery Place-Chinatown metro station. DC 6th Meetup (March 7) The DC 6th meetup will take place on March 7th at Pizzeria Uno's at Union Station, one level up from the main floor. The meetup will start at 5pm, and people usually stick around there for several hours. You can RSVP at Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 6.

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New York City Meetup Next: Sunday March 29th, Columbia University area Last: 01/18/2009 This box: view • talk • edit

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, sign official incorporation papers for the chapter, review recent projects like Wikipedia Loves Art and upcoming projects like Wikipedia at the Library, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the January meeting's minutes).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and generally enjoy ourselves and kick back.

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New York City Meetup Next: Sunday May 17th, Columbia University area Last: 03/29/2009 This box: view • talk • edit

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, establish a membership process for the chapter, review the upcoming Wiki-Conference New York 2009 (planned for ~100 people at NYU this summer) and future projects like Wikipedia at the Library, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the March meeting's minutes).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and generally enjoy ourselves and kick back.

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Under gameplay as far as I know. ⒺⓋⒾⓁⒼⓄⒽⒶⓃ② ^talk 01:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I found a place for it. :) JAF1970 (talk) 01:39, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Worms 2: Armageddon needs some TLC and I don't have the time today to give it what it needs. –xeno^talk 15:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe. GameStooge.com is sapping my energy. JAF1970 (talk) 21:51, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry to bother you, but me happen to be a very big fan the late Omni magzine, thought may be you know something about this great mag... Jon Ascton  (talk) 15:51, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Like? JAF1970 (talk) 19:31, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi JAF1970 - I'm concerned about File:Larryhyrb.jpg, because you claim that permission was supplied by the subject, but there is no OTRS number listed on the image description page. Did you receive a response from OTRS, and what did it say? Thanks. Dcoetzee 02:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I got the email a long time ago. JAF1970 (talk) 02:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]