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WP:IMOS deals with the manual of style for Ireland related issues. There is also WP:IECOLL to help. The main Manual of style WP:MOS breaks into several different ones, included are descriptions of when to use abbreviations, what ones to use and not use. Example (easy one) in Ireland County is shortened to Co. , this however is not universally done so should always be the long form. Any questions just ask. Murry1975 (talk) 14:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

BTW WP:IRE-IRL, is a guideline you will need to follow. The reasoning behind it is explained in the link. Generally when mentioning a place in the lead it is done as Town-name, County Name, Country Name. Now I know your feelings on what the country is in Ireland related articles, but please use the guideline WP:IRE-IRL. Dont start calling the state the same as the island, towns, cities, counties, buildings are classifeid by where they are by state not geography i.e. Dublin is in Ireland, not Ireland, London is in the United Kingdom (or even England)not Great Britain. When adding to articles use sources WP:RS, do not use personal knowledge that cant be referenced WP:OR this could be removed or challenged, which could be viewed as be bold, then being reverted which should then be discussed WP:BRD. And try to write from a neutral perspective WP:NPOV, try not to have it read like a fan blog or advert, we can all be guilty of putting a personal touch on certain things. You have been on here editing as an IP (longer than me, by years), its good to see you get more invovled on a more formal basis.

On the Ireland articles, I dont know if you know there is a edit restriction on some, mainly Troubles related articles, the link will show you more information. Baiscally;

An editor must not perform more than one revert on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing other editors—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Violations of the rule normally attract blocks of at least 24 hours. Any appearance of gaming the system by reverting another just outside the 24-hour slot is likely to be treated as a 1RR violation.

WP:1RR explains this, most articles are under a three revert rule WP:3RR, but these do not have to be breached. WP:EDITWAR or edit warring can be single reverts or a pattern of troublesome reverts. If it is considered slow warring (over a period of time outside the 24 time frame). If an editor is considered to be gaming the system they will be block. Basically if there is a content dispute have a chat on the articles talkpage rather than reverting each other multiple times, even if you consider yourself right or actually are right you can still incur a block.

WP:Etiquette, Talk page guidelines and WP:AGF will also help your experience on here.

If there is anything I can help you with give me a shout on my talk page. Happy editing. Murry1975 (talk) 17:06, 26 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There are restrictions upon these too similar to the Troubles. Dont change it to British and Irish Isles, it will get you blocked if you do it. Also I drew your attention to IMOS, Donegal, where you are from is formostly and commonly refered to as in Ireland or just Republic of Ireland, not Ulster. I have posted this information above, I have posted it on talkpages of IPs you have used. I take it you dont like it, that has no place on here. I dont like several aspects of wiki, but I bite my lip and edit within guidelines. Please understand that guidelines are helpful for the entire project, not only the areas we edit within. Murry1975 (talk) 15:50, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Glasgow&diff=prev&oldid=490636526 this diff shows where you made the edit. Please refrain from such. Murry1975 (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi lad I looked up this for you as you havent seemed to got around to it yet. Naming royals and nobles, and using honorifics. This should help you in your edit style. Murry1975 (talk) 20:15, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just replying bud, thanks for the note, been busy not on here as much. Yeah it was some nice weather. BTW I personally dont agree with a few things on here but cant change the gudelines, we have to remember its a collabrotive effort, thats the main point of the project guidelines its to stop POV, which you could argue either way it has/hasnt. Take care. Murry1975 (talk) 19:04, 3 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see you have deleted a post from your talkpage. I am purely here on an advisory basis as I still had your page on my watch list. Discussions on talkpages should not be deleted as per WP:TALKCOND. When a talkpage gets too big (not in your case) materials should be archived. It's upto you as its your page but I thought I would advise you for future reference. -- Cassianto^Talk 11:07, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I'm Mutt Lunker. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Irn-Bru, but you didn't provide a reliable source. I’ve removed it for now, but if you’d like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mutt Lunker (talk) 00:03, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please follow guidelines, your tendency to not do this is returning, as an editor who was blocked several times on different IPs for this, it is a worrying repeat. Thanks. Murry1975 (talk) 18:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stcik to references, stop adding OR stop adding information that isnt in the source. Murry1975 (talk) 15:18, 14 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

WP:HONORIFIC was wrong link the one above it, WP:POSTNOM, "other than those denoting academic degrees, should be included when they are issued by a country or widely recognizable organization with which the subject has been closely associated" (my emphisis). On Paddy Harte, this would mean dont use in lead. ≥Murry1975 (talk) 12:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I didnt hear that, is a nice brief statement. Its sentiment applies to my talkpage aswell as other guidelines and consensus, Signs of disruptive editing is the paragraph it is within. Murry1975 (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Not one citation or source added! You edit my ARCHIVES to discuss this then you dont add any source and change referenced pieces in the artcile. I dont care if you from there, I dont care if you know these things, it needs to be cited. Some editing was WP:MOS which is good, but adding so much to an article and not adding a ref or citation, please at this stage you know you should and indeed claimed in my archieves to have added sourced inforamation. And dont edit my arhieves, also on my page dont pipelink anything unless it needs to be. Find and add the sources to the artcile, cheers. Murry1975 (talk) 18:00, 28 July 2013 (UTC) OK one source, wiki cant be used. Also stop adding WP:PEACOCK phrases. I will help you but stop adding WP:OR. Kirk, lol any source? Murry1975 (talk)[reply]

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Stop overlinking. Stop adding "Towns and villages in Northern Ireland" to ones which are not. Murry1975 (talk) 12:20, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Laggan boy you have came along way, but do you understand I have been trying to show you guidelines since before you had this account? I am going to go throw the reverts I made today and add back all the appropriate bits. No unreferenced, no original research and no plain wrong bits are going back in. Murry1975 (talk) 19:37, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done, let me know if you have any questions on these. The Mulroy Bay was WP:OR, Theresa Villiers was pure overlink and Kerrykeel was, the addition of an Ip and your additions of towns of Northern Ireland. As I have said any questions ask I have your page watch listed so it will show. Murry1975 (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Per MOS:SEAOFBLUE, we generally don't link a city and state separately, like this edit of yours at George Floyd. Another editor already undid some of those changes you made. Regards.—Bagumba (talk) 11:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there. Can you explain why you removed the article Drumenny Burn from the specific category and put it into a higher level category in this edit? When a more specific subcategory exists, the article should go into the subcategory and Rivers of the Republic of Ireland is the correct specific category. And in fact it should be in Rivers of County Donegal‎. This is the reason the category Rivers of Ireland is practically empty. Additionally please adhere to WP:IMOS. I know you've been an editor around here enough to be aware of the IMOS guidelines. Articles that should be in and around countries should be related to that country, not to a landmass. Like we wouldn't say Paris, Europe etc. Canterbury Tail talk 23:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland isn't a 'landmass', mate; it's a country!! A partitioned country, but a country nevertheless, divided into two jurisdictions: Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland. However, from now on, I'll not be linking the word 'Ireland' to anything!! Too much hassle. Laggan Boy (talk) 00:04, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

No, as you know Ireland is a landmass with two separate countries on it, Ireland and United Kingdom which both countries and the entire world acknowledge. Wanting it be one doesn’t make it so. They’re not simply different jurisdictions in one country but entirely separate countries. That being said you’re entirely entitled to believe/wish what you like there. However on Wikipedia please use the specific categories, and if someone tweaks an article into the more suitable category please don’t revert it. Thank you. Canterbury Tail talk 02:38, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me, my very politicised friend, as us folk who actually live here in East Donegal know, Ireland is one country, partitioned into two separate Jurisdictions against its will around a century ago. Don't you be dictating on that one, sonny. A sovereign state and a country are two different things, as being acknowledged more and more. Just look at Scotland: while it is not a sovereign state, it most certainly is a country. The Republic of Ireland is a sovereign state, but the country, the nation, is Ireland, my high-handed friend. But don't worry: I won't be linking the word 'Ireland' to anything again. Laggan Boy (talk) 07:25, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Super familiar with the topic being Irish myself, and all agreements on Wikipedia are that they're two countries (well Northern Ireland is as you know an interesting problem child, but Republic of Ireland is a country and Ireland is an island/landmass.) Call it whatever semantics you like, but on Wikipedia we use the countries/sovereign states, not the landmasses for articles. That being said as a country name Ireland is common enough that it does not need to be linked, however if it is linked it needs to be linked to the country article of Republic of Ireland, not the landmass article of Ireland. It generally only needs to be linked if there is mention of Northern Ireland as well, in which case it needs to be spelled out as Republic of Ireland not Ireland. One thing to bear in mind, if you're talking about something that is in both countries, you need to mention both Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland, just the counties don't work. I.e. you can't say Counties Fermanagh and Donegal in Ireland, you need to be clear they're in different countries. Canterbury Tail talk 12:10, 25 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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That's great. Again, thank you. Much appreciated. 😁 Laggan Boy (talk) 06:06, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks again for reviewing the article. Laggan Boy (talk) 14:21, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Please note that MOS:JOBTITLES requires most titles to be lowercase when not used before a name, as at Secretary of State for Defence. Wallnot (talk) 19:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Could you also please not write things like 'The 3rd Earl' in the middle of a sentence. If you wrote 'the 3rd Earl' that would be OK but using a capital T for The in the middle of sentence is incorrect. Thanks. Celia Homeford (talk) 15:04, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Titles in the British Peerage are correctly written with 'The', never 'the'. Even in the middle of a sentence. Laggan Boy (talk) 15:23, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is no such rule in the MOS, and I have never seen it applied in a reliable secondary source, either. Wallnot (talk) 16:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know about Wikipedia's 'MOS', but it is certainly the case in real life. That is how British peers are correctly styled. Laggan Boy (talk) 07:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's MOS determines what is correct on Wikipedia. I would add that I have not seen this "in real life" either. See, e.g., this Times article, which refers to "the Duke of Cambridge," lowercase: https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rival-courtiers-loyal-to-either-the-duke-of-cambridge-or-the-duke-of-sussex-blamed-for-the-split-83w2gjzjs Wallnot (talk) 19:39, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you look up Debrett's!! Laggan Boy (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Debrett’s is not Wikipedia’s style guide!! Please do not continue to use nonstandard styles on Wikipedia after having been corrected. Also, please indent. Wallnot (talk) 15:42, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I never said Debrett's was Wikipedia's 'style guide'. I thought Wikipedia would want to be accurate and reflect reality. I was only pointing out what the correct 'style' is in this regard. Fair enough, if Wikipedia wishes to ignore this. However, for further guidance on this issue, in the real world that is, I suggest you look up pp. 8-9 of 'Titles and Forms of Address: A guide to correct use' (21st edition), published by A. & C. Black, London, 2002. There's probably a more up-to-date edition, but that's the edition I have. Laggan Boy (talk) 20:36, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Except that, as I have already pointed out to you, "reality" (meaning the kinds of reliable secondary sources used on Wikipedia) does not capitalize "The" in the manner you suggest. If you persist in using nonstandard styles on Wikipedia as you did at Duke of Grafton, I will refer you to the administrators' noticeboard for disruptive editing. Thanks, Wallnot (talk) 16:11, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have persisted in introducing this nonstandard style at pages like Michael Ancram. At this point it’s hard to see this as anything other than disruptive editing. I don’t care what Debrett’s says; Wikipedia takes style rules from its own style manual, the MOS, which is informed by reliable secondary sources, not hoity toity guides for British peers. Please stop introducing this nonstandard style immediately. Wallnot (talk) 12:40, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'[H]oity toity guides for British peers'!!!! I think you are losing the run of yourself, mate!! Laggan Boy (talk) 13:11, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Laggan Boy: I apologize for being short. I realize I may not have done a good job explaining the relevant Manual of Style guidelines. Here they are:

First, MOS:CAPS explains that "Wikipedia avoids unnecessary capitalization. . . . Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia." Note that this means that, although the word "the" is capitalized by Debrett's when it precedes a title of nobility, it is not capitalized on Wikipedia, because "a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources"—such as news articles like the Times article I linked above—do not capitalize the word "the" in that context.

As a further matter, MOS:JOBTITLES governs the treatment of titles in general. Titles are "capitalized only in the following cases:

• When followed by a person's name to form a title, i.e., when they can be considered to have become part of the name: President Nixon, not president Nixon
• When a title is used to refer to a specific person as a substitute for their name during their time in office, e.g., the Queen, not the queen (referring to Elizabeth II)
• When a formal title for a specific entity (or conventional translation thereof) is addressed as a title or position in and of itself, is not plural, is not preceded by a modifier (including a definite or indefinite article), and is not a reworded description."

The table at MOS:JOBTITLES provides examples of the application of the rule.

Wikipedia's Manual of Style provides uniform style guidance so that editors in different fields don't apply different rules based on the particular style guide that is most prevalent in their area: see the specialized subject fallacy.

I hope this is helpful in your editing. Wallnot (talk) 23:55, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apology accepted. I certainly will try to abide by these rules from now on. Laggan Boy (talk) 09:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in loss of editing privileges. Thank you. You are continuing to put capital letters in the middle of sentences, as you did here, which is incorrect. It is disruptive to continue to perform such edits after at least two editors have informed you that this is wrong. Celia Homeford (talk) 13:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have persisted in capitalizing words in mid sentence, as here. Care to explain? @Celia Homeford:. Wallnot (talk) 16:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, just a quick heads up as this one's a bit obscure. According to the MOS (specifically MOS:THEBAND) we do not capitalise the in a band name if it occurs mid sentence. It's an admittedly obscure and hard to find part of the MOS, so I just wanted to let you know about it. Canterbury Tail talk 22:22, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have reached out to you on multiple occasions over the past couple years to remind you that, under Wikipedia's style guide, the MOS, job titles are in most uses lowercase. You have continued to use nonstandard styles, as you did at the Hillsborough Castle article. If you persist in applying your own style guide and ignoring the community consensus behind the MOS, I will refer you to WP:ANI.

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Note I have reverted your edits adding the province of Ulster to the infobox as a subdivision of Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom. Neither the United Kingdom nor Northern Ireland have provinces as a subdivision so the old Irish province of Ulster cannot be a subdivision of the United Kingdom. And anyway those provinces of Ireland are not subdivisions and have never been a subdivision in the existence of the United Kingdom in any manner. Canterbury Tail talk 16:56, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, that's an absolutely ridiculous, pedantic argument to make. The provinces have no administrative function in the Republic of Ireland either. However, as anyone remotely knowledgeable about Ireland as a whole would know, the provinces are very important to Irish people in an unofficial, popular way. And, always remember, those baronies were drawn up and implemented, centuries ago, in the context of both provinces and counties. As editors on Wikipedia, I thought our duty was to educate, to disseminate genuine knowledge, not to lead people down pedantic and partitionist 'rabbit holes'. The Provinces of Ireland may have no official administrative function nowadays, North or South, but they still mean an awful lot to the people who actually live in this country, Ireland. On Wikipedia, we should both recognise and respect that fact. I think readers of Wikipedia's articles about Ireland are actually interested, genuinely interested, in knowing about our provinces, and are interested in getting to know what province a certain county or town or village is actually in. Laggan Boy (talk) 20:00, 20 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may disagree, but my edits were not vandalism as you claimed. Also it's not possible for a larger entity to be a subdivision of a smaller entity. It's not in any way possible for Ulster to be a subdivision of Northern Ireland. And Ulster has never been in Northern Ireland as anything other than an incorrect claim by some Unionists that Northern Ireland is Ulster which we all know is completely incorrect. Yes we bring up reliable facts. I know you like to insert Ulster into articles where you can, but it's actually not appropriate in some cases, and this is one of them where it makes no sense. Canterbury Tail talk 16:55, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would kindly ask you to stop vandalising Wattlebridge, a very wee Wikipedia article that I created and that I intend to expand. Laggan Boy (talk) 17:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again, see WP:VANDALISM for what is considered vandalism on Wikipedia. My edits are not vandalism and you do not own the article. Canterbury Tail talk 19:51, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Side note, the article should be using "Infobox UK place" and not the generic "Infobox Settlement". The UK place one has the specific fields for Irish Name, OS and Irish grid reference, parish, constituency and other UK related data. Canterbury Tail talk 20:08, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No need to be patronising, old chap. I am quite aware that I do not 'own' the article. I created the wee article for the benefit of my fellow citizens, to be honest. I am from East Donegal; however, my wife is from very near Wattlebridge. And I thought it would be worthwhile to create a wee article about Wattlebridge. And that's what I did. You, on the other hand, are contributing nothing of worth to this wee article. You are taking away from it, trying to destroy it, in fact. What you are engaged in is negative: the denial of knowledge to others. What you are doing to this wee article is sheer and utter vandalism. What you are engaged in is a negative, destructive campaign. Stop being a 'pencil neck': leave this wee article alone. Laggan Boy (talk) 22:03, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No again it is NOT vandalism, you are in fact putting something in there that is confusing and inaccurate, when you are the one saying you think we should be presenting facts. Ulster is NOT a subdivision of Northern Ireland and cannot possibly be a subdivision of Northern Ireland. And stop with the personal attacks. Canterbury Tail talk 22:07, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But, sure, counties no longer have any administrative function in Northern Ireland, yet, quite rightly, you include them in Wikipedia articles!! Again, you are making no sense. Perhaps a compromise would be to put the province before the jurisdiction in these articles? I don't know. Certainly, Ulster was in existence long, long before Northern Ireland and Partition were imposed on us; and Ulster will be in existence long, long after Northern Ireland and Partition have ceased to exist. All I know is that, for most of us up here in Ulster, our province means more to us than Northern Ireland or the imposed partition that was imposed upon us up here in the early 1920s. As for 'personal attacks': stop vandalising articles that I have created; maybe then the alleged 'personal attacks' will stop. You, sir, interpret the Wikipedia rules way too narrowly. Are you some God-like figure who is all knowing? Is your interpretation of the rules the only interpretation of the rules? Are you the 'God' of Wikipedia? Me, I'm a moderate. And I try to follow Wikipedia's rules in a moderate, sensible, realistic way, so as to maximise, not minimalise, the accurate knowledge that we, as 'editors', try to disseminate.

This is my final word on this matter on this Talk page: I no longer want you editing this Talk page of mine, because there is no reasoning with you. We have been here before. I have not interfered with you reverting my edits to the various different baronies in County Derry. I think you were wrong to revert my edits; however, I did not create those articles, nor did I make any substantial contribution to them, so I had absolutely no right to 're-revert' your reverts, if that makes sense. However, I will NOT tolerate unreasonable reverts to any articles that I have either created or largely rewritten. I see any such unreasonable reverts as vandalism. Especially reverts carried out by yourself. You, sir, are a militant, an unreasonable person. You seem to have an unhealthy interest in my edits on Wikipedia. It is almost as if you are stalking me. It's quite strange, and very weird. I do not accept your right to make what I see as unreasonable reverts and edits to Wikipedia articles that I have either created or, like Belfast Castle, largely rewritten. So I would ask you to, as the Americans say, 'but out' and desist from vandalising, as I see it, articles created or largely rewritten by me. Laggan Boy (talk) 22:56, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again you really need to read WP:VANDALISM before you continue to accuse other editors of vandalism and a bit of WP:AGF for good measure. Anyway it's clear we won't see eye to eye on this, so I think we should take this to the Ireland Wikiproject discussion for outside input. Canterbury Tail talk 14:42, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Imagine: the Wikipedia article that I created about Wattlebridge is such a short, inoffensive article. And yet you, once again, couldn't leave it alone. You just couldn't 'but out'. Perhaps if you had discussed your proposed 'changes' to the article beforehand withme, we might, just might, have reached some sort of consensus. But you didn't: yet again, in your usual high handed way, you marched in and vandalised that article. So yes, I would love some neutral person to intervene in this. It's people like you, militants, extremists, who put ordinary people off from either editing Wikipedia articles or from creating them. Hence Wikipedia has this awful problem, which it is failing to solve: that the vast majority of Wikipedia editors, certainly on the English-language version of Wikipedia, are white and male. The high handed manner that you display in your interference in my edits is am example of the bullying, non-consensual behaviour of so many Wikipedia 'editors'. Now, once again, leave this Talk page of mine alone. Laggan Boy (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop adding the honorifics of people into their wikilinks; we do not include them in the page title so all you are doing is changing a direct link to a redirect, which is not desirable. Primefac (talk) 08:50, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I've reverted your edits on Blue plaque. It doesn't help the reader to replace political entities that do exist, i.e. United Kingdom, with those that don't, i.e. Great Britain and Ulster - a re-direct to United Kingdom, and British and Irish Isles - a re-direct to British Isles. If you really think it's an improvement, rather than political POV-pushing, you can make a case on the Talk page and see if you get consensus. KJP1 (talk) 05:04, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you are unaware of this, but the Ulster History Circle blue plaque scheme now runs throughout the entire nine-county province of Ulster, not just Northern Ireland. Laggan Boy (talk) 10:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're quite right. I was not aware of this, and it is useful information which I've incorporated. Do you know if the scheme operates elsewhere in the Republic? If it does, we can have a Republic of Ireland section. KJP1 (talk) 11:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that it does, so have expanded slightly. KJP1 (talk) 11:29, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Aye, I'm not sure about the rest of the Republic of Ireland. I know that, years ago, Dublin Tourism ran a 'brown plaque' scheme in the City of Dublin. There are now quite a few Ulster History Circle blue plaques here in my native County Donegal. Laggan Boy (talk) 12:02, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dublin City Council certainly does, and so does Waterford Civic Society. There are likely more, but seemingly no national scheme. I've expanded the bit on Ireland, and included an example of a plaque. KJP1 (talk) 15:58, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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There is absolutely no need to hide the lack of sources behind personal attacks. Edits need to be sourced (WP:V), neutral (WP:NPOV) and cordial (WP:NPA). The Banner talk 00:39, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My God, this is shocking. Absolutely shocking. So our Ulster-Scots language and culture is being discriminated against by a Dutch person living in County Clare!! The Ulster-Scots name of 'oor coonty' (our county) was displayed about a year ago; however, it was removed, for some reason. The Ulster-Scots names for each of the Six Counties is shown on their Wikipedia articles. Yet County Donegal, which has a huge Ulster-Scots speaking community, no longer has its Ulster-Scots name mentioned in its Wikipedia article. As a native of East Donegal, I find this discriminatory and completely inaccurate. Laggan Boy (talk) 00:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am not discriminating, I am asking for sources. The Banner talk 01:03, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Ulster-Scots spoken here in 'Coonty Dunnygaal' is mainly an oral culture, an oral tradition. Just like many of the African dialects and languages. It is incredibly hard to get written sources to back up our largely oral Donegal Ulster-Scots dialect. So, just like so many oral African dialects, Donegal Ulster-Scots is discriminated against because it is a largely oral tradition. There are around 170,000 of us living here in County Donegal, and every time we say 'aye', 'naw', 'wains', 'brae', 'burn', 'sheuch', etc., which is a lot, we are speaking Ulster-Scots. Laggan Boy (talk) 01:15, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And, I have to say, if the Fermanagh Wikipedia article can have the Ulster-Scots name for that county included in its article, then surely the Wikipedia article about County Donegal can have the Ulster-Scots name for County Donegal included as well. I know County Fermanagh incredibly well, as my wife is from down there: I can assure you, unlike most of County Donegal, very little Ulster-Scots is actually spoken in County Fermanagh. Laggan Boy (talk) 01:27, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I now propose moving this debate to the 'Talk' section of the County Donegal Wikipedia article. Laggan Boy (talk) 01:29, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still we need sources for your claims. Census perhaps? The Banner talk 10:04, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aye; I'll see what I can find. Laggan Boy (talk) 14:35, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the thank you, given that my edit summary wasn't exactly clear. I guess you realised that I meant that the Spanish perspective pre-dates and post-dates the award of city status. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 15:51, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, absolutely. You make a very good point, so I concur with your edit. Thanks again. Laggan Boy (talk) 12:51, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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