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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Lightbulbs. Since you had some involvement with the Lightbulbs redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Thryduulf (talk) 19:44, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is only one solicitor on the dab page, so I do not see the need for the moves and changes to the redirects. Also, we do not use honorifics such as "Sir" in article titles. DuncanHill (talk) 22:17, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

We also use common name + disambiguator normally, not first name, middle name, surname. Please re-read the MOS page you linked to in your edit summaries, and undo your moves. DuncanHill (talk) 22:18, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've undone the moves for you. DuncanHill (talk) 22:22, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Re. not using "Sir", I will verify this. I may hav erred. Re. using middle names, the quoted section explicitly uses George W. Bush vs. George H. W. Bush as examples.Theobald David Mathew seems fine to me. Also nore the parenthetically disambiguated names will still exist as redirects if needed.MegaSloth (talk) 22:28, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Re. you undid th emoves; that's fine I'll make requested move requess when I have the time. Thanks for letting me know, I was wondering what was happening. MegaSloth (talk) 22:29, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(it wasn't a complete waste of thime; those redirects were needed anyway :) MegaSloth (talk) 22:31, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Bush examples use initials not middle names, and British people are rarely, if ever, known by all three names, nor do they commonly use a middle initial. DuncanHill (talk) 22:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point me to the guidelines that state

a) "Sir" is not a useful disambiguator (I expect you're spot on here but it would be nice to locate it)

b) middle initials are fine as disambiguators but not middle names

Thank you.

Also, with regard to the solicitor, I have no doubt in a narrow technical sense, only the one Theobald was actually a solicitor, however I submit that the technical niceties between different precise ways to practise law are lost on the average Wikipedia user so a link to disambiguation is correct.

MegaSloth (talk) 22:47, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:TITLESINTITLES covers the use of Sir - "Styles, such as "His Grace" or "HRH", are not used in the page titles of biographical articles. Honorifics and other titles such as "King", "Queen", "Blessed", "Mother", "Father", "Doctor", "Professor", etc. are not generally used to begin the titles of biographical articles, unless they are used to form the unambiguous name by which the subject is clearly best known (as in Mother Teresa, Father Damien, Mahatma Gandhi)." It is on the same page that you linked to in your edit summaries. The section you linked to says "When there is a usual way of distinguishing two people of the same name, use it" and "If there is no usual form of conventional disambiguation, place a disambiguating tag in parentheses after the name." Now none of the people in question are known by all three names, and none of them are known by their initials (unlike the Bush dynasty). See WP:INITS (also on the page to which you linked). As for the solicitor, I think it is perfectly clear in British English, which is what applies in this case. Now, Theobald Mathew (lawyer) would be ambiguous. DuncanHill (talk) 22:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For clarity, before I was aware of your general objections to my desired page moves to the Theobald Mathew pages, I had requested in good faith the move of Theobald Mathew (temperance reformer) to Father Mathew; this request was completed during our discussions, I only just thought to remove the request but was too late. As you can guess I don't have administrator priveleges to revert this, assuming you disagree with that move as well, please feel free to revert it (at least it creates another needed redirect). Sincere apologies, MegaSloth (talk) 23:32, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have decided to abandon my attempts to rename or redirect these articles for the time being. I will notify you if I decide to resume pursuing them. It is likely that this would be through a formal process since there appears little likelihood of any agreement. Many thanks again for your involvement and continued patience. MegaSloth (talk) 10:41, 4 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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