User talk:Psychologist Guy

I found this recent source from a work-in-progress project by the Université de Genève. It might be useful for creating/updating articles about historical vegetarians and vegans. They also have a bibliography of periodicals here. Throughthemind (talk) 14:24, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know about this, I thought sooner or later a group of academics were going to attempt to do this. They have good material on periodicals which is very useful. Unfortunately some of their biographical articles are wrong - Benjamin Lay, John Harvey Kellogg, Benjamin Franklin, Henry David Thoreau, Thomas Tyron, were not ethical vegans. It's odd to claim Franklin was an ethical vegan as he ate fish and Kellogg and Thomas Tyron ate dairy. Thomas Tyron was even promoting a milk cure, I don't know where the they have got the idea he was an ethical vegan. Ralph Waldo Trine was not an ethical vegan either. Many of the others were not vegan.

In regard to their article on Susanna Way Dodds [1] they have copied some of the Wikipedia article I wrote but claim incorrectly Dodds promoted an ethical vegan diet. In reality Dodds ate cream and eggs, if you read her 1891 book it contains dozens of recipes with eggs.

Also their article for Henry Stephen Clubb claims "Clubb promotes Abolition, Temperance, and veganism as well as kindness and sympathy for all living beings, thus he is also a pacifist" [2]. I have read a lot of Clubb's articles and as far as I know he never abstained from dairy. It's a good project they have, but I do not agree with them re-writing history trying to classify vegetarians or non-vegetarians as ethical vegans. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:53, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, that's not good. It might be worth contacting them with a list of corrections if you're up to it? Throughthemind (talk) 17:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I will definitely get in contact with them, thanks for letting me know about the project. It's good to see other academics and historians getting involved in vegan and vegetarian history. I have tried to email the Vegetarian Society for 4 years to give me the President list, unfortunately they never reply. I have had friends also ask for help with the history but you get no reply. Odd stuff. It's a shame about that. In regard to the Vegan Society it's a bit different because all of their historical magazine issues are online with the Presidents listed, it's all public information. It's probably worth creating a Vegan Society template and covering all of the Vegan Society Presidents and vice-Presidents from the beginning. I will attempt that at some point but it will take a long time going through their archives. Psychologist Guy (talk) 17:48, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]