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This seems to me to be a particularly bad example of something not being an actual disambiguation page, but I am at a loss for a solution. BD2412 T 22:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's functioning as an index to articles relevant to the topic of child protection that in most cases someone using the search term "child protection" might be looking for (putting aside for now any quibbles about specific inclusions/exclusions). That's definitely a valuable page to have even if it doesn't strictly fit the arbitrary rules about what can be called a "disambiguation page". Unless anyone can explain what actual (not theoretical) harm it's doing then leaving it as is seems like the best solution. Thryduulf (talk) 00:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that it is functioning as an index, and should therefore be at a title like Index of articles on governmental child protection efforts, or the like. These are not ambiguous topics sharing a name. BD2412 T 02:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That title wouldn't be navigationally helpful. Web-julio (talk) 01:19, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For navigability, we could just merge this list of national child protection agencies into Child protection, then. BD2412 T 13:13, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Train simulator (disambiguation)#Requested move 14 October 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Raladic (talk) 03:20, 23 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've just created NLMA as a DAB because it was redirecting to a rather obscure organisation, and its main use is clearly the National Live Music Awards. Just wondering if the latter should be a primary topic in this case, being an initialism? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 00:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

page views don't support that. If anything, views indicate the 'obscure' organization might just be the primary topic. older ≠ wiser 00:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But that's because NMLA was redirecting to that page. The Australian music awards are nearly always referred to as the NLMAs, so many people would be searching on that term. (And if you search on the abbreviation or full name, you will see how many mentions there are on Wikipedia.) Laterthanyouthink (talk) 06:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but the total views for the awards are nowhere near that of the group. The initialism gets very little traffic. It is possible that the recent move has somehow totally screwed the results. We can see in another month or two if there is any change. older ≠ wiser 10:17, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that's weird. Google doesn't turn up much about that organisation, and their website seems rather out of date. Okay, thanks. I'll make a note to check out the stats again in a few weeks' time. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:30, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Previously NLMA led to National Liberation Movement of Ahwaz, and if the Australian awards were "clearly" the main use I'd expect to find a lot of readers navigating onwards from there to the National Live Music Awards. But the Wikinav data for September don't support this: there's no sign of any readers leaving the Movement page to go to the Awards. Nor to the Medical Association. It looks to me as if the Movement is probably the primary topic, so the redirect should continue to go there and the dab page be amended accordingly. Or just leave the dab page as is.

Just for interest, Googling "NLMA" from here in the UK I get hits for the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association coming top, with a few other organisations, he Aussie awards are on the third page, and I haven't yet found the Movement by the end of the 5th page.

Probably best leave the dab page as it now is. PamD 13:42, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Based solely on my google results for "NLMA" -Wikipedia (I'm also in the UK), the Newfoundland and Labrador Medical Association would be the clear primary topic. Down to page 8 I've not seen any results for the other two topics that were listed on the dab. I did see a couple of results for the Taiwanese National Land Management Agency that I've added to the dab page though.

I repeated the same search on Duck Duck Go on tor (the exit node geolocated to the Netherlands) and got similar results - the only one of the topics on the first four pages (longer than Google's pages) was the medical association, although the Northeast Late Model Alliance (about which we have only a single passing mention at Mike Goudie; I haven't investigated its notability) also got lots of results. Thryduulf (talk) 22:00, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting - thanks, PamD and Thryduulf. I wouldn't expect the Australian awards to pop up in UK searches really - such a small population here that the hits would be relatively small on Google. I'm not sure exactly how that wikinav tool works, but if I searched for NMLA in the search box on the app and it showed the liberation movement, as it does for redirects, I wouldn't go there, but would try another search on the long name. Anyhow, if everyone is happy to leave as is for a month or so, I will return to it and have another look. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Population isn't the only factor (Australia: 27.5 million, Newfoundland and Labrador: 510,000) and Australia does come up in search results in the UK for other matters, e.g. the primary topic for "APRA" in my UK-based google searches is Australian Prudential Regulation Authority. Thryduulf (talk) 03:43, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The US DOJ should be primary for both DOJ and DoJ. Thoughts? Music Air BB (talk) 20:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just googling DOJ -Wikipedia did bring up the US department first, but more entries on the first page related to the Northern Ireland department, the second page also brought entries for the Indian and South African departments and page 3 introduced the California, Ontario and Western Australian departments so I'm not seeing evidence of a primary topic. Thryduulf (talk) 21:18, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Over 85% of traffic to DOJ goes on to the US DOJ. older ≠ wiser 22:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DoJ gets almost no hits,[1], but should probably point to the same place as DOJ for consistency and to enable deletion of the unnecessary hatnote on ministry of justice. - Station1 (talk) 04:45, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Compare and contrast :)

• Talk:Fallout (disambiguation)#Requested move 1 June 2024
  • a notorious science topic is voted primary topic redirect target for a simpler word, despite popular entertainment topics (+ huge spike of interest with the latter) and different general English meanings
• Talk:Deadlock (computer science)#Requested move 13 August 2024 + Talk:Deadlock#post-move
  • a science topic of some significance is voted to be removed as primary topic because of different general English meanings (+ huge spike of interest in entertainment topics not discussed at the time of RM)
• Talk:Suga#Requested move 21 October 2024
  • a popular entertainment topic is voted primary topic for a simple word, despite a history of significant non-entertainment topics and a different general English meaning

Our processes don't seem to result in a general consistency, despite that being one of the article title criteria. --Joy (talk) 09:18, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article title consistency criterium applies to pattern of similar article's with specific reference to topic-specific naming conventions on article titles. Seeking any sort of more general consistency on Wikipedia is a fool's errand. older ≠ wiser 10:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That last part may well be true, but at least we have to try, because we are still maintaining a single global article namespace and readers are going to notice if it's messy. --Joy (talk) 11:59, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

e and readers are going to notice if it's messy -- ROFL. older ≠ wiser 14:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I gather you think this is all inconsequential to readers? So, in turn, the editors who engage in these sorts of discussions do not represent the readers? Do you see where I'm going with this? :) --Joy (talk) 20:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are other things far more impactful for readers that have even less consistency. Talk away, but be realistic about coming to any sort of definitive conclusion. All of the examples you mention are of different types and making any sort of comparison between them will be very difficult to establish any sort of consensus around. older ≠ wiser 21:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd forgotten about this until someone closed my proposal to merge. I think it merits some discussion at least, if someone here wants to have a look. Waterhole and Watering hole (disambiguation), and the watering hole description as "or waterhole is a geological depression...". It all looks a bit messy to me and I thought that perhaps one DAB would cover both. And there's the matter of the two links, to Depression (geology) and Ephemerality on the Waterhole page. Can anyone suggest a more elegant and useful solution? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:40, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since waterhole is not currently a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, I reorganized the waterhole dab per MOS:DABSYN and MOS:DABBLUE (one blue link only per entry). Unless waterhole is changed to a redirect to watering hole and becomes a PRIMARYTOPIC. —Bagumba (talk) 15:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, thanks. You don't think it's worth combining, owing to the overlap between watering hole and waterhole usage? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But fine as it is too. Certainly an improvement! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:ATM#Requested move 4 November 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 𝚈𝚘𝚟𝚝 (𝚝𝚊𝚕𝚔𝚟𝚝) 15:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I requested this move because Miami Film Festival is the actual name of the main film festival, and I think that the short film festival can be dealt with as a hatnote. Opinions, please! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 01:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Known nuisance, see User talk:RegentsPark#Possible IP-range sock. Possibly well-meaning but, sigh, imo revert on sight. Narky Blert (talk) 15:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see that someone last year merged a separate DAB page into Manny, which IMO is not very helpful because the films and TV series are right down the bottom, and many of the names have more than one blue link, etc. Does anyone else think that they should be separated again? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 23:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]