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Hi, I'm Jackson Peebles. DavidAHull, thanks for creating Tanhouse lane railway station!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Thank you for starting this article! However, if you could please add some references to ensure that the page won't be deleted as well as categories that you feel are appropriate, that would be fantastic!

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Hello, I've done the suggested cleanup on the Tanhouse Lane railway station article, take a look to see how it now looks and ask if there is anything you don't understand.

As part of this, I moved your comments in the article to the talk page - Talk:Tanhouse Lane railway station - and I have replied in a little more detail there. Comments about articles belong on talk pages not in the article themselves, see Help:Using talk pages for an introduction. Thryduulf (talk) 08:33, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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I wanted to let you know that there's a discussion about whether Tanhouse lane railway station should be deleted. Your comments are welcome at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tanhouse lane railway station .

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Thanks, Jackson Peebles (talk) 04:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry this was about "the first thing" you heard from Wikipedians. We do try hard not to "bite the newbies", and I do hope you have an easier time of it from here on in. However, all's well that ends well - if you keep smiling, do your bit and enjoy yourself, with a bit of learning the ropes along the way, I think you'll find that it's a lot of fun helping to build the world's best encyclopedia. All the best, and WELCOME TO WIKIPEDIA! Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:02, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Another message of support here. If you're interested in UK railways, then you may want to join our Wikiproject on UK railways. Just add yourself to the members list and you're in!. Don't worry too much about the deletion discussion, railway stations are generally notable enough to be able to reference adequately and needing improvement is never a reason to delete an article. Mjroots (talk) 17:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for this cheery and most welcome invitation. Alas, I have just spent half an hour trying to add myself to the list and can't find how to do so. The project sounds right up my street, however. I have contributed to Wikipedia before, but until my foray into Tanhouse Lane I have only found existing pages where I can add or correct things, which I do by going in and adopting the existing layout. My biggest contribution by far is to the Shirebrook North railway station entry, which I like to imagine shows care and attention. I am 63 and have had a lifelong interest in railways, notably Immingham, where I had several railwaymen in my family as a child and the LDECR which I could see from my school playing field in Shirebrook. I can bring three things to the party: 1) decent eye for detail, 2) reasonable written English and 3) particular affinity to the periods 1955-66 and 2013 onwards. I even use trains regularly! Kind regards, Dave I now see that I should use Tildes to sign ou, so here goes... DavidAHull (talk) 22:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

David, the members list can be found here. A useful short cut to the Wikiproject's talk page is WT:UKT. Mjroots (talk) 19:51, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! The penny has dropped! All I had to do was go in and edit the page by copying and pasting someone else's entry then editing that copy. I have spent a career making this the very last thing one would ever do, as allowing lay users "behind the scenes" is a recipe for disaster in public databases. I was therefore looking for something like "Click this button to add your entry", followed by a dialogue box. Wikipedia turns this on its head. Simple when you know how, impossible until then. Thanks to all who have sent messages of support. I'm up and running.... 31.54.230.173 (talk) 06:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I forgot to LogIn (again) DavidAHull (talk) 06:29, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Wow! This is really helpful, I've gone in, figured out what I'd done wrongly, corrected it (them), learned and moved on. Onwards and upwards! Thanks DavidAHull (talk) 19:13, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see that you've been altering the order of presentation of a number of references, as here. Is there a reason for this? The thing is, references are most commonly given with authors first, then year, title and so on. The citation templates like {{cite book}} can help to achieve a consistent format - with these, you can list the various items in any order you like, but they will be displayed in a consistent order. Here's the Butt ref, first as it was before your edit:

• Butt, R.V.J., (1995) The Directory of Railway Stations, Yeovil: Patrick Stephens

and after your edit:

• "The Directory of Railway Stations" by RVJ Butt (Patrick Stephens, 1995) ISBN 1-8526-0508-1

and now using {{cite book}}:

• Butt, RVJ (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations. Patrick Stephens. ISBN 1-8526-0508-1.

and now with a few other items filled in:

• Butt, R.V.J. (1995). The Directory of Railway Stations. Yeovil: Patrick Stephens Ltd. pp. 138, 211. ISBN 1-85260-508-1. R508.

Whilst the use of citation templates certainly isn't mandatory, they are commonly used in many articles about British railway lines and stations. When given the parameter |ref=harv, they also facilitate the use of Shortened footnotes, as seen at Reading Southern railway station. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Redrose, thank you for this most welcome guidance. I altered them to strive for standardisation, but I reckon "your" way is better still. I've had a first bash at altering Chesterfield Market Place railway station to the Wiki Way and would appreciate your comments before I get stuck in to all the others on the LD&ECR. The only thing I don't understand is the Rnnn numbers, what are they? I'm off to Cardiff tomorrow until the weekend, so won't get cracking before Sunday. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC).[reply]

I assume that you mean the |id=R508 - that's not actually necessary, |id= is something of a "miscellaneous" parameter. I often use it for the publisher's own identifier for the book, on my copy of Butt there is "R508" printed low down on the spine. Other publishers have other systems, many don't have one. Another example is

• Cupit, J.; Taylor, W. (1984) [1966]. The Lancashire, Derbyshire & East Coast Railway. Oakwood Library of Railway History (2nd ed.). Headington: Oakwood Press. ISBN 0-85361-302-8. OL19.

again, on this book, "OL19" is printed towards one end of the spine. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:33, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, when I wrote above that "|id= is something of a "miscellaneous" parameter", I didn't mean that it was literally miscellaneous, which is how you seem to be using it in edits like this. It's intended for an identifier which doesn't fit any of the other parameters designed for specific types of identifiers. For a DVD, the |id= parameter would be for the publisher's catalogue number. For example, if I were to use this DVD as a reference source, I would put |id=BBCDVD 3482, that being the number printed on the packaging (it's also shown in the "Product Info" tab of that web page). --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ho hum. Having spent rather a lot of time going back to Chesterfield Market Place and working east to put the DVD refs in the manner I thought you wanted - ie to tell the punter what s/he would be getting - I'm less than enthusiastic about going over it all again. Perhaps you could send me one of my references in the style you want, not something from Dr Who or whatever, but send me a concrete example of what I've put and what would conform to the rubric, two different examples would be even better. I will then stand a better chance of getting it right. Hope this finds you, as I'm lost in the mists of talk pages. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 23:45, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I've done a bit of digging. Let's consider the ones where you've put something similar to

• DVD (2005). The Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway - Memories of a Lost Route. Chesterfield: Terminus Publications. Collection of stills on DVD. {{cite AV media}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• DVD2 (2005). Diesels Along:-The Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway. Chesterfield: Terminus Publications. DVD, stills and film with commentary, 60 mins. {{cite AV media}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

Do they have numbers like TP321D or TP014D marked on the packaging? If so, we can change them to:

• DVD (2005). The Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway - Memories of a Lost Route. Chesterfield: Terminus Publications. TP321D. {{cite AV media}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)
• DVD2 (2005). Diesels Along:-The Lancashire, Derbyshire and East Coast Railway. Chesterfield: Terminus Publications. TP014D. {{cite AV media}}: Invalid |ref=harv (help)CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

Do they have any credits - writer, director, or presenter? If they do, one of those would be best for the |last1= and |first1= parameters, since "DVD" and "DVD2" are somewhat vague. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:53, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, thank you for going to this trouble. Where DVDs have presenters etc I have cited them rather than "DVD", though I have nevertheless sought to indicate to readers that something is a DVD, not a book or mag. As you haven't mentioned it, I presume Wiki doesn't have a "cite DVD" or "cite film" feature, which seems rum, given that it is a vast medium; what do our counterpart film buffs do, I wonder? I resorted to using "DVD" when I couldn't find any distinguishing identifiers AND I wanted to alert readers that such-and-such a source is a DVD, a sort of last resort. I then got carried away with an exuberanceo of helpfulness saying things like "stills with commentary", we don't say books have "writing and pictures", so why do anything so helpful with DVDs? I won't do it again and I'll let you zap all occurrences. I do understand what you're on about with identifiers, your original example on the spine of Cupit & Taylor was admirably succinct and eloquent. The fundamental nature of the two LDECR DVDs is that they were produced by a couple of blokes who had a load of good pictures and some local knowledge, but none of the production fol-de-rol of a pro publishing house, so they have produced lamb dressed up as mutton, and identifierless mutton, at that. Cheers, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 15:47, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I see that in some articles - I'm not sure just how many, but they include Chesterfield Market Place railway station and Arkwright Town railway station - you've used a DVD as a reference source. I'd like to make a few observations on that, if I may. But before I start, I'd like to ask if the DVD comprises a single long feature, or several shorter items, perhaps episodes? --Redrose64 (talk) 07:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Redrose, thank you for contacting me. I have noticed you walking behind me sweeping up, I hope I'm getting better. I appreciate your patience. I have two DVDs re the LD&ECR, the first concerns my particular field - the area West of Warsop (I grew up in Bolsover, went to school in Shirebrook and lived later in Scarcliffe, though I'm now in exile in Southport.) It is the only one I've cited in my recent, sustained effort to make a contribution on the Clog and Knocker, but I have a third which includes long sections on the MR Clowne and Doe Lea Branches, which I've also cited as I write them up. I expect to cite the second as I work my way East. I have three other Marsden Rail DVDs containing supporting evidence, notably re Tuxford and a couple with evocative but all too brief shots at Arkwright and Staveley GC. All in all, I have a mixed bag, some with brief snippets, others with long shots. To return to the one I've cited re ChMP etc it is an absolute gem, essentially, and unavoidably, it is a "photobook", ie stills presented by DVD rather than physical book. There is a lot of overlap with books and booklets I have cited, but there are some priceless shots, unique to the DVD as far as I can see, notably of the Boythorpe and Doe Lea Viaducts, the second includes a mix of stills and moving film, eg at Arkwright in the 1970s. All in all, long, short, moving and still! As you will have realised, I am keen to play ball with following standard procedures and will welcome learning how to do so with this medium. Finally, while I've got you, I shared your view that the line of text in my LD template was intrusive, but I couldn't see how to put it in properly, eg as a sub-heading. Can such a thing be done, and if so, how? Finally finally I see that Butt (which I don't have, alas) has a template of his own, is this a technique worth pursuing for standard works, eg Cupit and Taylor? If so, how? Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 09:09, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are indeed template pages for specific books, including {{Butt-Stations}}, but these lack a certain degree of flexibility, particularly when there has been more than one edition, as is the case for Cupit & Taylor. They're most useful either where that book is used on dozens of different articles, or a lot of information needs to be packed in. I have created very few myself, these were {{RCTS-LocosLNER-8A}} and a few others in the same series, because of the long list of authors.

Returning to the DVD, it's not that I want to rush out and buy one, but for those who do have the DVD, it would help to know just where in the DVD the relevant information is to be found. So, we need to know how far through (minutes and seconds) the particular snippet starts; and if there is more than one feature, we would need the feature name as well as the overall DVD title. Obviously the |p= parameter of {{sfn}} is intended for a page number, so instead we would use the |loc= parameter, as in |loc=A Grand Day Out, 13:42 --Redrose64 (talk) 10:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, this is helpful and should keep me out of mischief. I also asked "Finally, while I've got you, I shared your view that the line of text in my LD template was intrusive, but I couldn't see how to put it in properly, eg as a sub-heading. Can such a thing be done, and if so, how?" any thoughts? Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 12:04, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

By "LD template", I assume you mean {{Lancashire, Derbyshire & East Coast Railway}}. There aren't many route diagram templates which contain notes like "This diagram only concerns passenger lines " within the template box; in fact, I can't remember which others have them, if any. You could start a thread at WT:RDT, but it's possible that somebody there will say that by using {{Railway line header}} {{BS-header}} and {{BS-table}} you're using an obsolete technique and should have used {{BS-map}} from the outset. The {{BS-map}} method allows such notes in the |top= and |bottom= parameters; personally, I always use {{Railway line header}} {{BS-header}} and {{BS-table}} --Redrose64 (talk) 12:50, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Thank you, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 13:51, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Knowing you have an interest in the LD&ECR, I thought you might be interested to know that there's a new book published and it looks quite good. See here. Lamberhurst (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2013 (UTC) Thank yoou very much, it looks fab, quite a few photos I haven't seen before, hope the text is good. It'll be on my birthday wishlist by morning.... Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:41, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, this edit has reminded me - I kept meaning to tell you, but we don't use ordinals in dates, see WP:DATESNO. I have fixed it. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, will co. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 13:51, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this edit was not a disambiguation, but bypassing a redirect. A disambiguation would be where you had found a link like Great Northern Railway - where the target is a disambiguation page and is clearly not what was intended - and altered it to Great Northern Railway; such fixes are generally good. But LNER and British Railways don't take you to the wrong page - they take you to the correct page, albeit via a redirect, so there is no need to fix these.

The funny little rules and conventions on Wikipedia can take months to get the hang of. If you have any questions, just ask. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:49, 20 May 2013 (UTC)Thanks for your patient advice and for sweeping up after me. I may well take you up on your kind offer. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:46, 20 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Please take a look at User:Useddenim/Duckmanton and tell me what you think. I redrew the lines around Duckmanton/Arkwright much closer to the actual layout. (Pale blue will be replaced with pale grey in the final version to further de-emphasize lines that have been removed.) I do, however, have a question about the colours (you) used: does pale pink represent 'lines in place but not in use' or 'other lines'? Useddenim (talk) 23:20, 1 June 2013

How does User:Useddenim/Duckmanton look now? (Only 1955 has been changed, pending consensus.) Useddenim (talk) 16:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. no need to leave a duplicate answer here, as well.

• Seriously fab. We have consensus on overall design. The Duckmanton East Junction wording needs to go up a row to match the junction itself. The curve off to Chesterfield Central just below Staveley Central, would, for once, be more accurately represented by a 90 degree turn than 45 degree, but that is hardly material. Are the two reds now standard colours for passenger and former passenger lines? If so, OK, but I prefer the old ones, maybe I'm just used to them, the new ones don't seem different enough to me. Very impressive. I hope this is the right place to reply! Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:03, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See this for the latest revision. I hope I have satisfactorily represented Arkwright Town & Junction.
I think it best to stick to the standard dark red/pink combination to represent open and closed lines in order to avoid confusion, and I chose red for passenger services because it's the same colour as used by BR (and yes, I'm old enough to remember when was considered ‘new’ and ‘mod’). However, we now have a whole rainbow of colours to choose from (LNER blue? GWR brown? LMS green?), so if you'd prefer something else, by all means say so. Cheers. Useddenim (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Something's happened to the overall layout, if I missed it last night, I apologise. A visual reference point is the A632 which runs in a straight line between the two bridges and it feels due E-W, even if it isn't strictly so. On earlier versions (which I can no longer see) both bridges were on the same level, which looked and felt right and would make sense to a modern viewer or someone in a car. On this morning's version the Western (left-hand) one has been moved South (downwards.) Mercifully, I hope the solution is easy, simply move the superb "module" of DSJ-DNJ-DEJ and left hand road bridge up a row, put an STR below DSJ, and tweak the top right hand corner to join up again. Otherwise - Wow! If those are the standard colours then go with that. If we changed to Eastern Region Blue, for example, they would all be blues so leave it be. Could the dinky little pointers be anything other than red or would that look daft? My eye roved down your other delicious works in progress. Your fabulent West Cumbrian (Northern) diagram has Oatlands and Moresby Parks missing. I would be delighted to comment on this superb WIP if you wish, but I don't want to butt in. By the way, to my eye the colour scheme on both W Cumb diagrams looks clearer than that proposed for Ducky. It's a pleasure exploring with you. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 08:05, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Dear Alan. Now for some hat eating. In the course of looking for something quite different I have stumbled across a good scale old OS map of Arkwright Town and the Junctions. After a lifetime of travelling along the A632 by car and bus my flabber is gasted that the line of the road is not E-W, but as you have implied it with your "staggered" bridges. Your bridges are staggered and so am I. I can only hope you have not wasted time and effort "correcting" them. Gosh, this hat tastes crap. Yours apologetically. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I thought I was finished with User:Useddenim/Duckmanton, but now I will have to go back ans move the easterly bridge. (Not a biggie, though I do have to go to work now—I ended up on 2nd shift for the summer, but it's easy work driving for the University: see this item.) As far as checking a previous version, just click on the [View history] tab and select whichever version you want. Useddenim (talk) 19:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Dear Alan, once again, my apologies. I'm even more impressed with what you do now I know you're several thousand miles away. I don't know how you select what to work on, but I have others cooking if you are interested. Kind regards, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 19:19, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A632 on User:Useddenim/Duckmanton: 1955 version or 1965 version? Useddenim (talk) 03:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. The POINTER arrows only come in red.

1955 version please. Dave DavidAHull (talk) 07:47, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding to the Pyewipe Junction article - some interesting material there. I have some material on the GNGEJR and the LDEC to review and hope to expand the articles on both in the forthcoming months.--Davidvaughanwells (talk) 18:31, 2 June 2013 (UTC) I really appreciate your kind note, thank you. I look forward to seeing your stuff in due course. I've worked my way along the LD from Chesterfield MP and now I'm going to do the Beighton Branch, after Tuxford Shed and Works and Langwith J Shed. Kind regards, DaveDavidAHull (talk) 19:38, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for reviewing this short article. I assume by reviewing it you scanned it for lack of citations, pornography, spelling and the like, which is all good stuff. Could I suggest you also read it, specifically the section headed "Description" which places Duckmanton East Junction in the context of the four junctions which made up the collectively named "Duckmanton Junction", which is cited up to the hilt. Good luck, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 21:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that you have added a ref for the book Railway Atlas Then and Now to several pages, using ISBN 1-85260-508-1. Please note that ISBN 978 0 7110 3695 6 is the correct number. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, following up on your revert of my (and Jonesey95's) changes to Ainsdale Beach railway station. According to WorldCat, the ISBN of Portrait of the Cheshire Lines Committee is in fact 0-7110-2521-5 (or 978-0-7110-2521-9; they're equivalent). The ISBN "0 7110 2512 5" is invalid; the check digit "5" at the end doesn't match up with the rest of the number. I built a tool for working with ISBNs, and it also shows that this one is incorrect. Even if the incorrect version appears in the book, libraries are likely to be listing it under the corrected version—Wikipedia should too. {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 22:50, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this clear and helpful reply, I now accept the book has got it wrong. Luckily, the railway contents of the book are excellent. Does anyone actually use ISBNs in the real world? I have in the past quoted them to libraries and been met with blank stares. All the best. DavidAHull (talk) 18:03, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ISBNs are most useful when you already know what book you're looking for, e.g. when following a citation. I think individual libraries tend to use the Dewey Decimal classification more, because that's more useful for searching for information by subject area, rather than seeking out a specific book. Of course, I'm not a librarian… {{Nihiltres |talk |edits}} 19:32, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Dewey classifications are non-unique: two books can have the same classification, and this means that they should be about the same topic, but not necessarily exactly the same. They're great for organising libraries, because if the library shelves are arranged in Dewey order, you should find that all the books that are specifically about the Cheshire Lines Committee are placed fairly close together, perhaps intermixed with books specific to other railways, depending on how many digits that library uses for Dewey numbers. Since they cannot identify a specific book, we don't provide for them in our citation templates.

ISBNs are supposed to be unique to the extent that if a book is revised, or merely republished in a different form (such as paperback instead of hardback), a new ISBN should be allotted. The last digit of an ISBN is known as the check digit: there is a calculation that you can perform on the other digits, and if the result of that does not match the check digit, you know that there is an error. It's sensitive enough to detect transposition of two digits, which is what seems to have happened here: applying the calculation to ISBN 0 7110 2512 5 Parameter error in {{ISBN}}: checksum we find that the check digit should be 6, i.e. ISBN 0 7110 2512 6 - but if you click that, and follow some of the links such as Open Library or WorldCat, you'll find that the book allotted that ISBN is Peter Johnson's "The Festiniog Railway: a view from the past", clearly nothing to do with the Cheshire Lines Committee. Searching those sites for the actual book title (Portrait of the Cheshire Lines Committee), we find ISBN 0 7110 2521 5 - all the digits are the same except that the third 1 has been exchanged with the 2. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:13, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you very much, but which article? DavidAHull (talk) 19:38, 18 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A couple of questions:

1. Why did you duplicate Template:Cockermouth and Workington Railway RDT? and
2. Why the use of

{{GNoSR colour}}	Sample:		ffe02b	Great North of Scotland Railway
{{HR colour}}	Sample:		ffff00	Highland Railway

for the header of a L&NWR line? Useddenim (talk) 22:42, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, thank you for asking. In a word, incompetence:-

1. I duplicated Template:Cockermouth and Workington Railway RDT because it seemed to be tied to the article about the railway. Specifically, I couldn't figure out how to make collapse work if I used the RDT template with individual stations, so I made a copy of the innards and adapted that to headings and footings I copied from your masterworks, notably Duckmanton Junction. I would love to know how to square the circle, as I've had to spend time this evening making changes to both versions, eg moving Workington Bridge railway station to its proper place west of Workington Bridge Junction.

2. The yellow header is incompetence pure and simple. In the context of previous/next boxes I know of some colours, such as LNWR or GCR, but don't know how to apply appropriate colours to route diagram headers. Once again, I'd welcome being shown how and shown where a list of established railway colours is kept.

WP:WikiProject UK Railways/Colours list Useddenim (talk) 15:29, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

3. A couple of years ago I came across a brilliant route diagram you'd done of Cumbria, but I can't find it now. Does it still exist?

Template:Cumbrian Coast Line RDT Useddenim (talk) 04:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

4. I've embarked on a project to update Cumbrian railways. I've been surprised to find how few stations have any article at all. Well hey, that's what I'm getting my teeth into, but I'm flummoxed when someone has made a station redirect to something else, such as a railway. A concrete example, not in Cumbria, but a clear example, is Runcorn Gap railway station which redirects to St Helens and Runcorn Gap Railway. As I can't stop it redirecting I can't write an article. Can you please show me what to do?

I really appreciate you taking the trouble to follow this up.

Kind regards

Dave DavidAHull (talk) 23:28, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean you "can't stop it redirecting"? It's not protected, and is therefore editable by anybody. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:56, 4 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redrose: I can't stop it redirecting because I can't land on it. If I search for Runcorn Gap railway station it comes back with the railway, so I'm stuck outside a loop which I can't penetrate.

Go to Runcorn Gap railway station. At the top you will see the page title ("St Helens and Runcorn Gap Railway") and the standard message "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" as usual. Below those it says "(Redirected from Runcorn Gap railway station)". What happens when you click that link? --Redrose64 (talk) 00:31, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redrose: Aha! It's easy when you know how. That's unlocked quite a few doors for me. Thank you. DaveDavidAHull (talk) 01:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Marron Junction[edit]

With regard to Marron Junction that you show on the line of the Cockermouth and Workington Railway, can you look at the Wikipedia line diagram of the Whitehaven, Cleator and Egremont Railway, where you will see the correct position for this station, above that of Bridgefoot but below the junction of that line with the Cockermouth and Workington Railway.

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Paul: please see my reply in your talk page, Dave DavidAHull (talk) 00:16, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen your reply on my talk page with regard to the previously discussed matter of Marron Junction and I need to draw your attention to the Wikipedia article on the Whitehaven, Cleator and Cockermouth Railway where the matter is shown on two sections of the main body of the article:-

1. ...In the "overview" panel at the top right-hand corner, under the "terminal stations" section, Marron Junction is shown, together with two others.
2. ... In the main text body of the article, under the heading of "northern section", you will find Marron Junction also mentioned there.

It is not up to me to cast aspersions on those who compliled the article on the Whitehaven, Cleator and Egremont Railway who chose to enter the Marron Junction information into the two sections that I have shown above.

Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 00:47, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Paul: Aspersions??

I've had another good look at the Whitehaven, Cleator and Egremont Railway article:

1. the overview panel makes a red mention of Marron Junction because no such article exists. The route diagram in the overview box shows Marron Junction, but not Marron Junction railway station. I will edit the route diagram in my next session to show a triangular junction there. I may add Marron Junction railway station for completeness, but I'm mindful of clutter.
2. I've had another good look at the list of places of interest in the "Northern section" part of the main body. once again it mentions Marron Junction, but not the station.

I see that several of the places in that section are places, not stations. My current mission is to work my way round the old Cumberland filling such gaps, of which there are quite a lot.

I see Wikipedia as cumulative, others fill gaps in my contributions and I try to do likewise. Filling gaps implies no criticism and certainly no aspersions; not by me anyway.

With best wishes

Dave DavidAHull (talk) 01:56, 5 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved this page to Draft:St Bees Golf Halt railway station as it does not have any content yet. BC108 (talk) 19:52, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

According to Butt, R. V. J. (October 1995). The Directory of Railway Stations: details every public and private passenger station, halt, platform and stopping place, past and present (1st ed.). Sparkford: Patrick Stephens Ltd. p. 202. ISBN 978-1-85260-508-7. OCLC 60251199. OL 11956311M., the station opened 30 June 1910 and closed 5 February 1918. Hope this helps! Optimist on the run (talk) 20:26, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More than you can imagine, I have to make a 20 mile round trip to see Butt in Crosby Library! Can you please give me the page number? Cheers Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I should have added that - it's page 202. The template I used in my comment above can be used directly as a reference. Optimist on the run (talk) 08:44, 10 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have started the article Cleator Moor West railway station. Please expand it if you can. It is unclear to me which railway company operated it. Biscuittin (talk) 21:55, 9 January 2016 (UTC) Thanks for your encouragement, I've got most of the data ready, but I'm still working my way down the Whitehaven, Cleator and Egremont Railway towards Sellafield, finding halts as I go! I would hope to crack this and start on the Cleator and Workington Junction Railway working north from Cleator Moor West in a week or so's time. Cheers Dave DavidAHull (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. That's good. Biscuittin (talk) 22:30, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've put in what I hope is a cleaner placeholder text on this article. Hope that's OK. Blythwood (talk) 21:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Please review… Thanks. Useddenim (talk) 00:42, 8 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Aha! I wrote to you a few weeks ago about a fabulous RD of West Cumbria - this is it! Before owt else, this is a masterpiece, I congratulate you on it. As always with every RD, what is its scope? I have embarked on my own Cumbrian project to ensure that every station, public, private, workmen's or whatever has a Wikipedia article. That makes my job at once easy - every means every - and hard - every means a lot, but hey, I'm not going anywhere! Template:West Cumbrian Railways has some never public stations, such as Dovenby Lodge and St Thomas Cross Platform, does it aspire to all? On what is there already, a few gremlins catch my eye:

• 1) Please compare your Harrington Junction to Lowca with the one I'm working on as we speak, ie Template:Lowca Light Railway and Gilgarran Branch the detailed spelling of Rosehill (Archer Street Halt) has yours showing in red, but you omit Harrington (Church Road Halt), thereby throwing Copperas Hill wrong side of Rose Hill Junction.
• 2) Please compare your Moor Row to Beckermet section with Template:Whitehaven, Cleator and Egremont Railway RDT where I believe the sequence of stops is correct, please also see that Beckermet Mines (workmen only, ever) was off on a branch.
• 3) I've never come across Parkside can you please point me to evidence showing it. Whatever it is, it isn't the Parkside to which it is linked, which is a hundred miles away in Derbyshire.
• 4) Keekle Halt is Keekle Colliers' Platform
• 5) You omit Oatlands between Arlecdon and the flyover bridge to its north
• 6) You omit Marron Junction and represent the junction itself as two-way, it was triangular until Edwardian times.

I reckon that'll do for now. I really appreciate you asking me to contribute, I will be pleased to continue to do so if it helps.

DaveDavidAHull (talk) 08:11, 9 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I noticed your recent template update of the Carlisle and Silloth Bay Railway, which includes four stations that were not shown on the original line template, so as the master West Cumbrian Railways line template includes this line, I have asked useddenim if he will be so kind as to update that particular template when he has the time to do that task.

Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 14:06, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you haven't jumped the gun, I'm still researching Port Carlisle Junction station where sources are very confusing. I suspect, but can't yet prove, that it was never a halt on the Silloth line at all, only on the Waverley route, in which case it will need moving again. This, despite Quick showing it as on my revised Route Diagram. I've found two photos of the Up (northbound) platform perhaps 150 yards north of the junction and none showing anything at the junction itself or just to the Silloth side, nor have I found any mention in the heaps of Silloth material I've studied, only in NBR material. The plot thickens!

Kind regards, DaveDavidAHull (talk) 21:47, 21 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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the material in this article was (wrongly, in my view) in the article Grimsby District Light Railway (GDLR). I put out notices to that effect in its talk page and got no response, so, after a period of waiting I created a self-contained article for the Great Grimsby material then cut and pasted the material over from the GDLR article. I had no problem with the material except that it was in an article for a quite separate concern - rather like an article about Manchester United containing material about Manchester City.

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Do with them as you wish, but please don't put them back in the GDLR article! DavidAHull (talk) 20:04, 10 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I assumed that at some point a human would look at the offending material and make a decision on whether to zap it. Have I written these comments in the wrong place for that to happen? DavidAHull (talk) 07:02, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I've now had a look at the Grace's Guide material and I reckon the Bot's right, it is a straight lift, including the core error; Grace's entitles the text Grimsby District Light Railway so as far as I'm concerned it can be zapped. I don't have the time to create a proper Grimsby Tramways article, if and when I do so I'll create it in an OK manner.DavidAHull (talk) 17:51, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the material that I removed on the 11th. Sorry for the mistake. The bot got the source wrong. I hunted for it on Wikipedia, but since you had already removed the material from the source page, I did not find it. Copying within Wikipedia is of course permitted, but attribution is required. At a minimum, you are supposed to do this by saying in the edit summary on the destination article which article we copied the material from. There's also templates available, which should have been used in this case. This problem would have been avoided if that would have been done. I have restored the material and added the required attribution, but note there's a problem with the citations. I have taken a guess at what they are supposed to be, but if you could check, that would be great. — Diannaa (talk) 21:52, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this. I don't really understand the toings and froings to be honest, but it's a rare and pleasant thing in Wikiland to read statements like "Sorry for the mistake." You guessed correctly about the first Price reference, well done. I'm afraid I don't have the Tramway Review book, so I can't confirm or refute the second, but it sounds plausible. I suggest we now let it rest, as nobody seems overbothered and the content is and always has been pretty good, it was just wrongly associated with the Grimsby District Light Railway which was another business altogether. All the best, DaveDavidAHull (talk) 22:13, 13 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding this edit - it has been pointed out before, some years ago (when you started doing it) - maybe not on your talk page, maybe not regarding Shirebrook North railway station specifically, but I have done it. Where a page title is ambiguous (see WP:SIMILAR) we put a hatnote at the very top; where the articles are related but not ambiguously named, we might create a WP:SEEALSO section near the bottom. What we do not do is place sections called "Ambiguity" early in the article. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:24, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, re this edit: please use the appropriate template (it should be {{cite magazine}})) and do not misuse the parameters. The author is not "and Wherefore The Why", that's a corruption of the title of the section in the magazine. I've fixed it up like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:06, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate you fixing it, now I know of this syntax I've followed suit elsewhere.DavidAHull (talk) 22:29, 29 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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1824-43 wharf Port Dinorwic 1843-1961 wharf 1852-1962 wharf Port incline Port Dinorwic stations Caernarfon│Bangor Penscoins Cefn-Gwyn Crossing Garth incline Bethel Pen-Sarn Craig-Lwyd incline to Caernarfon Pont Rhythallt Mill West Pen-yr incline Pont Rhythallt Mill East Pontrhythallt Pont-Rhythallt Chwarel-Fawr quarry Pen-y-Llyn Allt Ddu quarry Cwm-y-Glo Allt Ddu incline Penllyn (LLR) The Village branch Cei Llydan Llyn Padarn hospital Gilfach Ddu Vivian quarry Llanberis Gilfach Ddu (LLR) Llanberis (LLR) steam mill