User talk:Grand'mere Eugene


Archives (Index)

This page is archived by ClueBot III.

Northwest High School (Mcdermott, Ohio)

[edit]

A few years ago, a public high school from Ohio was deleted due to notability concerns at WP:AFD. I am convinced that this school is notable, but it has been a bit of a pain searching Newspapers.com for sources. Is there anything you can do to help? Thanks. Scorpions1325 (talk) 23:57, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Scorpions1325, I found a few sources, including some for "McDermott Northwest High School". Fun facts: the athletic field is named for Roy Rogers, (not a grad, but a famous local) as noted in this article: Happy Trails, and one of the alums became Miss Ohio in 1995. Obviously these are not substantial coverage, but here are a few more sources:
And, the high school building image is still on Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Northwest_High_School,_McDermott,_Ohio.jpg
There is not now a district article for Northwest Local School District (Scioto County)., so that's one to add to your to-do list...
Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 02:19, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Awesome! I am not sure where the appropriate venue to go is, considering that this was the deletion discussion. Scorpions1325 (talk) 14:11, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know, there's no WP prohibition against using the same article title as one that has been deleted. However, two other article titles may also be appropriate: either "Northwest High School (Mcdermott)" or perhaps "McDermott Northwest High School", which is commonly used by local press sources, but is not by any official school sources.
You are welcome to use the code format I set up to draft school articles at User:Grand'mere Eugene/sandbox2. Once you have a satisfactory draft, just use the "Move" function on the "Page" tab at the top of the draft article. Let me know if you need help.
Or: Be WP:BOLD! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:57, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, here are a few more sources from Portsmouth Daily Times:
However, the newspaper only allows access to 2 sources before imposing a registration or subscription. I was able to see the third source on a second device, but apparently permission is only granted for a single day, as I couldn't see the first 2 today. It may be worthwhile tojust accept free registration. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have anything sourced to the Associated Press or a distant city? Scorpions1325 (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, but non-profit educational institutions are not required to meet WP:NORG: The scope of this guideline covers all groups of people organized together for a purpose with the exception of non-profit educational institutions, religions or sects, and sports teams. Public schools must meet WP:GNG, which does not require regional or national sourcing. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:30, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Aoidh, I know you are busy, but I know you are knowledgeable about this topic. Scorpions1325 (talk) 21:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Scorpions1325, please let me know what concerns you. I'd like to understand. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 07:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At a recent WP:AFD I provided similar sources, and an editor accused me of only providing WP:PRIMARY sources. It is at [[John Marshall High School (Richmond, Virginia)]. It does seem that I have convinced them to vote !Keep though. Scorpions1325 (talk) 03:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll see if I can work on this article some time today. Scorpions1325 (talk) 12:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BLP - Woman Real Estate CEO

[edit]

Hi Grand'mere Eugene, I noted your expertise in BLPs, especially those focused on women, and was hoping that you might take a few minutes to look at a draft I'm working on for MaryAnne Gilmartin. She is an NYC-based real estate developer and the founder of MAG Partners. I have a conflict of interest, so would love to collaborate if you have the time! Thank you! AK for MAG (talk) 18:39, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AK for MAG, Your draft looks promising, with profiles from WSJ, Forbes, and NYT. With your permission, I will move it first to Draft:MaryAnne Gilmartin (where I and other editors can also contribute to it), and then can provide revised urls for some of the articles that are behind paywallss, to make them accessible at least to editors with access to The Wikipedia Library. Just let me know I have your permission to move it out of your user subpage. Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:42, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grand'mere Eugene, thank you for reading over the draft and offering to work on it further! Your suggestion sounds great - I look forward to further input from the community! Thanks! AK for MAG (talk) 13:20, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's been a while

[edit]

Hi Grand'mere Eugene, I hope you are well, it's been a while and not sure if you remember me over at WikiProject Schools (I'm one of the coordinators there), I remember we did some work together on some of the school articles :)

I have done substantial work on the Wellacre Academy article over the years, especially when I started working on it in 2019 as I am looking to bring this up to GA status. I came to a bit of a hiatus when I was unable to find anything else online despite the time-consuming search effort via search engines and news websites. It's nearing completion and I have added some more things lately, but I'm still at the same problem of not being able to find anything else online about it's history especially during it's opening that I can add to the history section that would bring this to completion - the issue being I believe this school was a secondary modern school and it opened as this type of school, but without a source to say it definitely was, I don't want to add that in,

I also don't know if the school had any other names besides the two former names I have mentioned which is "Wellacre Technology College" and "Urmston Wellacre County Secondary School" (according to source the school opened as this name), but in another source which was mainly about a teacher that retired (I used this reference to source the specialist status info that's also in the history section), it says "He was a fresh-faced youngster in short trousers when Wellacre High School was being built". What confuses me is that I don't think this school was ever called Wellacre High School, if the school opened as Urmston Wellacre County Secondary School then it cannot have been called Wellacre High School when it was being built, or maybe this was the name of the school later on as secondary modern schools were replaced in most of the UK as comprehensive schools, therefore it could be it became Wellacare High School after changing to a comprehensive school but without a source to say this, I can't add that,

I was wondering as I know you have access to Newspapers.com and we have done work together before, would you be able to search Newspapers.com for me for any news articles on Wellacre with its various names and see what comes up? Anything on it's history, its opening and anything else you can find on there, I did a search (without an account) and it seems to indicate there are matches available there. Please let me know, your help will be greatly appreciated,

Thank you, Steven (Editor) (talk) 06:30, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I went and checked the oldest Ofsted report that I can access on the Ofsted website from 2002, and the report says the school is a secondary modern school but has the name of the school as Wellacre High School. Now this confirms it was a secondary modern, but no idea when it became Wellacre High School and if the school opened as a secondary modern school; I do think whatever is on Newspapers.com might provide some clarity, I hope Steven (Editor) (talk) 06:47, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good to hear from you again, Steven (Editor)!
I've listed sources from newspapers.com on Talk:Wellacre Academy. There were some inconsistencies in the dates for the various school titles, especially in the period it became a boys' school.
I didn't find anything yet referring to it as secondary modern school. Were there any earlier Ofsted reports available? — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 01:30, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the sources are not necessarily RS, especially the classified ads, which may have been placed by school employees or parents helping with the jumble sales? There is quite a lot of variation, especially during the time it was a boys' school. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 01:35, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capitol Hill edit on Capitol Hwy draft

[edit]

Hello! Sorry if my edit summary sounded snarky. I'm feeling a lot of "people are wrong on the Internet" today, alas. I noticed today that a bunch of place articles (not any "Shaniko Junctions" either!) were deleted and I'm trying to finish up spring term (in Geography!) and I can't do anything about it, so I'm just extra grumpy today! Hope you are well! Valfontis (talk) 04:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, @Valfontis, no worries. I stalled out on Draft:Capitol Highway, after the discussion on the Oregon Project talk page sort of went sideways with the preference being not to create a separate article from the "OR 99W (or even a spun-off US 99W". I do think it has an interesting history, including its location on the former Taylor's Ferry Road and that the current fragment in Portland is a remnant of the earliest paved highway that eventually became Highway 99. Still regretting the Shaniko Junction outcome... — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 04:42, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There's a couple AFDs going right now for Oregon places if you want to contribute! Stay away from roads, haha. Valfontis (talk) 22:46, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kat Cole's new position

[edit]

Grand'mere Eugene, Hi. I work for AG1, formerly Athletic Greens. I noticed your active editing and participation in the BLP project, particularly bios for women, and I'm hoping you could help me out. Kat Cole's current Wiki doesn't reflect her recent promotion (as of July 24, 2024) to CEO of Athletic Greens. Her role as COO and President at AG1 is mentioned only in the intro section and now needs to be updated; neither of her positions are mentioned in the body of the Wiki. This is my suggested language for inclusion. I know that paid editors are not meant to make such changes without community approval; if you give your OK, I will make the edits. Thank you, 2603:7000:8807:D600:D0F3:1911:A19:3D74 (talk) 16:57, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BL for AG1, your proposed changes look okay, so I added the new text and revamped the citations. The Fortune source and Bloomberg are behind paywalls. In order to make it possible to verify the text and check for compliance with WP:COPYVIO policy, you can use the quote parameter in the citation template to briefly cite the relevant sentence(s) from the article. I added a quote parameter for the Bloomberg source so you can see how it's done, even though the relevant text is apparently in the first few sentences, visible in spite of the required subscription. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 03:07, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Grand'mere Eugene, Thank you for your time and help with adding this content.
I am also working on a draft for the AG1 company. I look forward to collaborating with you on that as well. Thanks again, BL for AG1 (talk) 12:07, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, BL for AG1, just ping me when you are ready. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:02, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your work on Cynthia F. Moss

[edit]

If you look at my user talk page you will see a few messages to me from the course tutor which may interest you, but again thank you. This one seems to have caught your imagination 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:29, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your kind words are much appreciated, Timtrent. I do like a good challenge, and since I retired a decade ago, WP has become a daily habit. I have a quandary that you might help me with: when I Googled Moss's parents, I found them mentioned in this U.S. Senate confirmation hearing (chaired by Orin Hatch) as parents of Randolph Moss, then being appointed as a US federal district judge. Without mentioning her name in the hearing, he referred to his missing sister, "My sister is with the youngest in that family at a conference in Florida today and couldn't be here." He also mentioned his brother-in-law Jack Berger. There's a Prabook bio (of course, not an RS) that lists her husband as "Donald W. Berger". I'm currently thinking it's not appropriate to include her brother or her husbnd in Moss's bio. My mother would say, "Discretion is the better part of valor." Still, it's one of those Wikipedia rabbit holes that I enjoy stepping into from time to time... — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 02:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like a challenge too. This one was worth accepting. There are several abandoned student projects here. I found them from this tutor's talk page which lists declines amongst the acceptances. I have done what I am able with some of them. (That was a hinted request for help!)
The relatives are always an interesting dilemma. I ask myself "Is this relative likely to have notability im their own right?" That assumes no article about them currently. If they do I have been known to write that, even if only a stub that shows notability, and I mention them. If not I may or may not mention that they exist if close relatives, distant I leave well alone, unless, of course, they are immediately and recognisably notable. I would mention Marco Polo! However, the relatives' presence in the subject's article need to add true value to it, not simply be for decoration.
Does that help? 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 08:20, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Timtrent, I just realized I forgot to ping you in the note below...Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:17, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, good advice. Moss's brother has a strong WP article, so I may work in a brief mention in her article.
I did add a few sources to the Draft:Elva Diaz article that meet GNG, with significant coverage her research. I think it's good to go, but I defer to your review to accept it at AfC. See what you think.
Are there more abandoned student projects that need better sourcing?
Cheers! — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 09:26, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are awesome. I have accepted it. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 19:31, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have been deep in this rabbit hole, now, creating categories for awards where absent, and populating them with around 300 award recipients,
Thank you for your help. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:40, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow! 300?! Good work! Nimble, too, jut like other rabbits... — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 20:43, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I may have missed a few with finger trouble, but someone else will get 'em! 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Minuette Macon Will be the best perosn to tell each of us about other abandoned student works which are worth giving a big kick to. I think we are getting quite a buzz out of this rather gnomish mini-project.
I've scraped these from Minuette's talk page 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 20:47, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had known idea what an avalanche I started :D
For Moss: one of her books was featured in the first Godzilla movie, but I wasn't able to find a reference for it, except for her interview on the Conjugate.blog. She really is often mixed with the other Cynthia Moss (also a well known ethologist).
The drafts you listed are the ones that remain from this year's class-we had only 4 rejections from the previous iterations of the class (2020 and 2021). All 4 were "too soon" so I decided to wait before recreating their entries. I also had a lot more time to work with those drafts in the past as the class was 3x smaller. Since this year, the class only writes about people likely to pass the WP:PROF: award winners, full professors, named chairs, etc, to increase the likelihood of acceptance. The award categories you created and updated are mighty good work and I really want to thank you for that-anyone who can help with all of this will earn a ton of good karma!! Minuette Macon (talk) 12:40, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How about adding a mention to Cynthia in her brother's article to balance it? Minuette Macon (talk) 12:46, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added family info to the Randall Moss bio... tricky because their parents are listed in sources for both of them, but they do not seem to be both mentioned in a single ref.
Also, I made an argument on Talk:Elva Díaz to show she meets WP:GNG, but not necessarily WP:PROF. Chime in there if you are so inclined. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:45, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had an entry about an academic whose work is in neuroscience textbooks be rejected because they were too young ("too soon"). Whatever gets them in, I support it! Minuette Macon (talk) 14:29, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is another issue with one contributor (see User talk:Cindymoss). I left a COI welcome, which seems to have been ignored, as their contributions have been deleted by another editor. Oh, well. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 19:55, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And regrettably they have uploaded a picture of themselves to Commons, which just doesn't work with copyright laws. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 21:23, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(sigh) The photo will be taken down, as it should. I have explained the rules of photo submission, but I can't make anyone follow them. Minuette Macon (talk) 14:26, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV help

[edit]

Hi Grand'mere Eugene, I'm reaching out to you, hoping that you will look at the discussion on Daniel Lubetzky's Talk page. As you actively engage in BLPs, as well as with COI editors, I would appreciate your critical eye in this case. It seems that my request was rejected simply because of my COI, and I would appreciate greater input from the community, as I believe I raised some legitimate points. Birdhouse123 (talk) 13:19, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made 2 revisions, but didn't find the duplication in the Philanthropy section. Let me know if you find it. — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 18:09, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Books & Bytes – Issue 64

[edit]

The Wikipedia Library: Books & Bytes
Issue 64, July – August 2024

  • The Hindu Group joins The Wikipedia Library
  • Wikimania presentation
  • New user script for easily searching The Wikipedia Library

Read the full newsletter

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery on behalf of The Wikipedia Library team --16:33, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Grand'mere Eugene, thank you for your revisions. I should have been more specific in the original request. In the Business career section, the following paragraph seems redundant and confusing, as it is summarized later in the article:
According to Democracy Now!, in May 2024, Lubetzky was one of "a group of billionaires and business interests [who] privately pressured New York City Mayor Eric Adams to deploy police on pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University. A WhatsApp group with some of the country' s wealthiest people detailed donations to Adams' s campaign and conversations with the mayor. Some of those involved include real estate magnate Barry Sternlicht; Daniel Lubetzky, founder of the Kind Snacks brand; hedge fund manager Daniel Loeb; and founder of Thor Equities, Joseph Sitt."
I noticed that you tweaked it, so perhaps you think it belongs in the article?

Thank you again Birdhouse123 (talk) 17:13, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, no, I see. I found the paragraph to be a copyvio, which I why I revised it with quotation marks. I'm removing it entirely-- sometimes, "The faster I go, the behinder I get." — Grand'mere Eugene (talk) 17:25, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Grand%27mere_Eugene&oldid=1245209595"