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A question has come up whether Arthur Dake was Jewish (see Talk:Arthur Dake#Jewish?). Do you have any references that might help? Quale (talk) 02:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Quale! I have found an information on Dake's Jewish roots in an article "Chess and Jews" written by Edward Winter (see: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html). Happy New Year ! Mibelz 15:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Edward G. Winter is a good source—he's obsessive with getting these sorts of details right. Thanks. Quale (talk) 18:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I have some questions about Alvis Vitolinš. The article doesn't list any sources. Alvis Violinsh player profile and games at Chessgames.com agrees with the wikipedia article (maybe you used it as a source). A standard source I consult for chess biographical data is Jeremy Gaige, Chess Personalia. The entry on p. 447 doesn't agree very well with chessgames.com or our article. The birth date checks out, but Gaige gives Ventspils as the birthplace rather than Sigulda. Also Gaige says the year for the IM title is 1980, but our article says 1984. Gaige has a reputation for careful, accurate work, but Chess Personalia isn't always correct. Do you have any more information that might help determine which is correct? Quale (talk) 11:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the update and correction with a reference. Quale (talk) 21:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I found the name in Chessbase megabase (it has all the games of the DSB-1896). Chessbase gives New Zealand as his country. He participated in NZL championships in the 1911 (7th scoring 5/10), 1913 (4th scoring 7.5/11), 1914 (2nd 10/14) and 1915 (2nd 9/10) This website has his full date of birth and says he died in 1916. They give England as country. The german wikipedia [1] also has some information on him. Btw the DSB congresses are listed also at German Chess Championship; perhaps the two articles should be merged? Voorlandt (talk) 15:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. You've written bios for many of the players who decided to remain in Argentina after the 8th Chess Olympiad due to the outbreak of war. Maybe you'd like to put a little bit in the very stubby 8th Chess Olympiad article about this. (A complete list of the players who remained in Argentina would be a good start.) I don't have any particularly good sources at hand, although I can do some research. I think you have one or more references on this topic. It's the most important and interesting aspect of this Olympiad. Quale (talk) 06:45, 9 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks, you went above and beyond the call of duty by detailing the results as well as adding a bit about the effect of World War II. Quale (talk) 04:43, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• Wow, you've really gone above and beyond the call of duty. Your work on the early Olympiads has really improved those articles. The tables are really nice. Thanks again. Quale (talk) 22:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I finally found the remaining winners from the Belgian Chess Championship. A couple of first names are missing. I just found one on the 8th Chess Olympiad (Marianne Stoffels). I suspect you got her first name from Stanisław Gawlikowski Olimpiady szachowe 1924 - 1974 Wyd. Sport i Turystyka, Warszawa 1978. Could you have a look if you can track down any of the following?

• E. E. Middleton (m) ([2]) or ([3])
• F-H. Königs / Koenigs (m)
• J. Kornreich (m)
• Y. Ebrahimi (m)
• Spoormans (f)
• ?E? Lancel (f); not sure about E

Thanks a lot! Voorlandt (talk) 20:24, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Keres won a tournament in 1950 in Shchavno Zdroi. As you can see, it doesn't have an article. I'm not sure of the correct transliteration of this place name. It might also be Shchavno Zdroj or Shchavno Zdruj, and it's possible that it's hyphenated, Shchavno-Zdroi. I don't know where this place is (Poland?). Do you know where this is, and if there is an appropriate article to link? Thanks for any help you can offer. Quale (talk) 04:05, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks again for your help. Szczawno-Zdrój has an article, so that's perfect. Quale (talk) 11:34, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I saw you changed the date of the first championship back to 1937. Do you have a good source for that? The site of the Slovenian Federation says 1936. See [4]:

                   Banovinsko prvenstvo Slov.sah.zveze 1936                            Ljubljana, 1.-12.7.1936  N     Name         Tit    1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9  10  11  12   Pts Pl.    1 Sorli,Joze             XXX  0   1   1   1   =   1   1   0   1   1   1   8.5    1      2 Siska,Joze              1  XXX  =   =   =   =   0   1   1   1   1   1   8.0    2      3 Weiss,Zlatko            0   =  XXX  =   1   =   0   1   =   1   1   1*  7.0    3      4 Lesnik,Ivan             0   =   =  XXX  1   0   =   =   1   1   1   1*  7.0    4      5 Preinfalk,Anton         0   =   0   0  XXX  1   1   1   0   1   1   1   6.5    5      6 Cibic,Boris             =   =   =   1   0  XXX  1   0   1   0   1   1*  6.5    6      7 Vidmar,Ciril            0   1   1   =   0   0  XXX  0   1   1   1   1*  6.5    7      8 Marek,Ivan              0   0   0   =   0   1   1  XXX  1   1   =   1*  6.0    8      9 Singer,Henrik           1   0   =   0   1   0   0   0  XXX  =   1   1*  5.0    9     10 Bercic,Ivan             0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   =  XXX  1   1   3.5   10     11 Klanjsek,Ivan           0   0   0   0   0   0   0   =   0   0  XXX  1*  1.5   11     12 Kranjec,Ignac           0   0   0*  0*  0   0*  0*  0*  0*  0   0* XXX  0.0   12     

They have a lot of detail as well, so I think they can be trusted. If you have a very good source that there was a championship in 1937, we should put both in. Voorlandt (talk) 14:46, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for creating articles on several different chess tournaments (Capablanca Memorial, etc.). I have always wanted these, but you are actually getting it done. I will help with the work of creating links from our player biographies back to these tournament articles. The strength of wikipedia is in its internal linking. Quale (talk) 19:11, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• I'll try to add some text to Capablanca Memorial. I think I have one or two sources with a small amount of information. The famous 1965 tournament with Fischer can certainly be described. Quale (talk) 22:25, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
• I wasn't able to add as much to Capablanca Memorial about the tournament in general, although I did have some information on the 1965 edition. If I find more I'll add it. I saw you and Voorlandt discussing the winnner list. Quale (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply to the Slovenian Championship. Thanks a lot for creating the Capablanca Memorial, me too, I was planning to create this one, but in the end I gave up since I didn't find any consistency in the winners list. I mainly used chessbase megabase and endgame.nl. Can I ask, what is your source for the winners after 1987? It seems to be better than the sources I have. The endgame.nl site is definitely wrong regarding the cities (I think chessbase can be trusted here). The article now mentions just one winner for every tournament, but endgame.nl has multiple winners (eg 1969, 1977, 1998, etc). Do you know whether there was a play-off or the winners were decided by tiebreak? Thanks again, Voorlandt (talk) 19:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I recently added the women champions to the Belarusian championship, but I am unsure about some transliterations (the source is in Cyrillic). I am not sure if you can read it, but in any case, some first names are missing so I would appreciate it if you could have a look at it (see also Talk:Belarusian Chess Championship). Thanks a lot! Voorlandt (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for checking and correcting. It seems that the website also had the complete men's winners list. So yet another championship complete! Voorlandt (talk) 07:47, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, although I don't know if Lindberg was Swedish or not. Jeremy Gaige in Chess Personalia, p. 250, gives "John B. Lindberg" with no dates or places of birth or death and with the note "1935 SVE Chess Fed. Co-champion". He doesn't list any sources, so I don't know where his information was from. Ken Whyld in Chess, The Records, p. 149, also has "John B. Lindberg" as the 1935 co-champion, again with no other biographical information or hint of sources. I suspect that Gaige used Whyld as a source as Gaige refers to this work from time to time in Chess Personalia. Quale (talk) 22:18, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Very good research again, in finding a Swedish source. Quale (talk) 09:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I can't find Hallegua in Gaige. I don't think I have any other references that mention him either. (I like the Alexei Alekhine page you created. Gaige gives August as his birth and death months with the same years you have, but doesn't have a day for either.) Quale (talk) 04:30, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I see you created the Max Lange article. It says that he died in 1899. There are a number of web based articles that have him alive in 1905. Is it possible you could check and give as a citation for your original source. Thanks. ChessCreator (talk) 15:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Excellent information. ChessCreator (talk) 18:38, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Appreciate your good work on the Alexander Alekhine article, but note that family members of famous people do not get Wikipedia articles if they are not notable in themselves (see WP:Redlinks and WP:BIO), and this is certainly true of Alekhine's wives. So I will be removing the "red links" on his wives. Peter Ballard (talk) 23:40, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you check reference that you added along time ago please?
Unzicker, Wolfgang (1975). Knaurs Neues Schachbuch für Anfänger und Fortgeschrittene. Droemer Knaur. ISBN 3-426-02242-7.

Prussian game? Which is it?

• 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 Prussian Game English Wikipedia
• 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 Prussian Game 2 3 4 plus Preußische Partie and ECO codes from German wiki. ChessCreator (talk) 03:11, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Two Knights Defense came to be designated the Prussian game, named after Bilguer's opening monography from 1839, see here - this was indeed the test run for the famous handbook's methodology (variation analysis, notation etc). However, the traditional naming "Two Knights Defense" prevailed in the end. With the ECO code, as the German wiki article explains, the "Prussian Game" got to be exclusively reserved for the Ng5 variation - which is, for history's sake, a good solution, because von Bilguer dealt only with Ng5, with a special focus on the Fried Liver Attack. --DaQuirin (talk) 23:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The only reference I have immediately at hand is Jeremy Gaige's Chess Personalia. The entry there says simply "Schorn, Karl", and does not give Carl as an option. This is certainly not definitive and doesn't prove that Carl is not correct. Gaige gives as references for the entry Deutsche Schachzeitung, 1850, p. 413–416; Moniteur des Dates, Vol. 5, p. 36; Schach-Jahrbuch für 1899/1900, p. 217; and Thieme-Becker: Allgemeines Lexikon der Bildenden Künstler, Vol. 30, p. 265. Quale (talk) 17:30, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, thank you so much for your many chess biographies (you are a busy man!). As for Carl or Karl, the common use was often changing in Germany. Sometimes names were differently spelled in the 19th century (like Karl or Carl Mayet), and for a while - as you say - it was more fashionable to spell "Carl" and so on. The birth (legal) name was in many cases written in the traditional way, so Louis Paulsen was born Ludwig for example, if I remember correctly. As for Schorn, I found in the more authoritative sources always Karl, so in the ADB article [5], Meyers Lexikon or Bachmann's "Aus vergangenen Zeiten", the classical work on Germany's chess history in the 19th century (based here on sources like Deutsche Schachzeitung). You will find some more weblinks in the German Karl Schorn wiki article. Google books gives for "Karl Schorn" /Maler (20) as compared to "Carl Schorn" / Maler (10). So your interesting finds prove only that Carl or Karl still makes not a big difference today or that in fact Schorn used at some time the Carl form. As a matter of fact, Schorn is as both painter and chess player nearly forgotten. So it is interesting, that his unfinished painting "The Deluge" (Sintflut) is now to be restored - the largest (!) painting that the Munich Neue Pinakothek owns... --DaQuirin (talk) 17:10, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS The Bilguer handbook writes "Carl Mayet", but again "Karl Schorn". --DaQuirin (talk) 17:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS For one of his paintings (the same as in the German wiki article), see Bildarchiv Foto Marburg [6] see "Künstler", "Schorn, Karl"; Neue Pinakothek website gives him only once [7], again "Karl". I don't know why now some new articles give him as "Carl". I suppose, Schorn himself would not much care about it :)) --DaQuirin (talk) 16:46, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz, Yes, it was my mistake to add Zurich(1953). It resulted in discussion on the talk page about the articles purpose. I have just removed the Zurich entry now as not to cause confusion. ChessCreator (talk) 11:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, just noticed the article Hermann von Gottschall while recent change patrolling. Just one thing I want to point out that the article mainly uses non-English sources. Can you please consider using some English sources. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 10:33, 9 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for all your tireless contributions in writing chess biographies. I have a small suggestion: I wonder if you would consider wikilinking the person's birth and death dates? That way readers who have set date preferences can see either day before month or day after month. There's information at MOS:SYL. Regards, Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:44, 11 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great job on this article. It is beautiful article and highly notable! I am sorry if I interrupted your editing (or caused edit conflicts). I only found out later that you were still in the process adding material). Regards, Voorlandt (talk) 13:51, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		For constantly creating well referenced chess biographies SunCreator (talk) 16:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your opinion and the distinction. Mibelz 12:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are welcome, you do such a lot of new articles. SunCreator (talk) 14:06, 15 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! You wrote that Vladas Mikėnas played for Lithuania at first board in five official and one unofficial Chess Olympiads, and that In August/September 1936, he played at unofficial Olympiad in Munich (+5 –7 =8). In the site [8] he is not mentioned among the players that played in 1936, and the whole team is missing from this event. Could you please check your source about this 1936 participation?

You also wrote that "In 1960, he took 10th in Parnu (Baltic Rep. ch)." This table shows that he shared 4th-5th place [9] Could you please check your source also about this tournament?

Do you think that the 7th place in 23 Championship of Moscow- December 1943/4 is important enough to mention? [10]

Also the 7th place in the Championship of Estonia- 1945 [11]

He also participated in the 7 Championship of Lithuania(open) Vilnius March 1951 [12] and in the 1953 Championship of Lithuania [13] and in the 21 Championship of Lithuania- 1965 he shared first place with Uogele [14] As far as I know his last tournament as the Championship of Lithuania was in 1985 [15] where he got the 14th place.

Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! You give me an extra work but what to do ?!

1/ Vladas Mikenas played for Lithuania on 1st board at Munich 1936 (=5 -7 =8), and Lithuania took 11th place (see my article: 3rd unofficial Chess Olympiad). Reference: http://www.olimpbase.org/1936/1936ltu.html

2/ Mikenas tied for 4-5th at Leningrad 1960, and took 10th at Pärnu (Paul Keres won), http://www.geocities.com/al2055perv/nat_tour/1960/ch_pri60.html (see my article: Baltic Chess Championship).

3/ In have just added Moscow 1943/44, Estonia 1945, and LTU-ch.

Shalom, Mibelz 17:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the references! I am ashamed that I missed the 3rd unofficial Chess Olympiad... I knew that I missed something as I found too many games mentioning this event but could not find the link.

About the Baltic Chess Championship - I simply do not understand as also this link mentions the Baltic Chess Championship for the year 1960. Were there two events? [16]

Here are some more info: Hastings 1937/38 Mikėnas took 6th place [17] and here are some nice photos if you think the link is good enough to be added [18].

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 02:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

I found in [19] a reference to Paul Keres 15-0 result in the 1942 EST-ch. Do you have maybe the crosstbale? I did not find it in the RUSBASE(PART FOUR) [20]. Thanks! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:21, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! As the main contibutor to this article, what do you think about the idea to add links to the tournaments? Here are some examples:

• [21] - to the Hastings tournaments
• [22] - Corus
• [23] - Luhacovice 1969
• [24] - 1967 Winnepeg

It is a lot of work, but I do it to check all the tournaments to avoid translating errors. I just found two errors in the Paul Keres article.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 10:08, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your creation of chess biographies greatly, but I am concerned that some of the pages you have created seem to be copyright violations. In particular, William Samuel Viner seems to be a word-for-word copy of http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A120367b.htm. Quale (talk) 03:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I am sorry I couldnt find much more than you about this. Just the fact that he was born in Belgium. I did find quite a lot of reference to the fact that he awarded 'brilliancy prizes', so I have put that in. Regards, Voorlandt (talk) 16:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! The last result you give as "He took 2nd, behind Carl Carls, at Bad Aachen 1934 (2nd GER-ch)." The table below shows him at the 11th place. Could you please check you source? [25] Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:12, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again! I added some references to this article. Here is another tournament that he participated, not with big success: [26]. Here is the table of the Karlsbad 1911 tournament (you will have to scroll down to get to the final scores from this event . [27]

He also participated in the 1929 championship but withdraw. [28]. Do you think it is worth mentioning?

Otherwise he is mentioned in [29] as having composed 7 studies.

I also added some info in the Karel Hromádka article.

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 05:07, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found that the city name is not Tatavaros but Tatatovaros. Found the correct name in [30] --Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:03, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I just mentioned it because the letters to were missing in Tatavaros - Tatatóváros

Only today I read your amazing user page with all the contributions to chess - kol hakavod - which means in approxmiate translation from Hebrew - all the honours to you

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 13:09, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Here is another tournament where he finished first, if you wish to add it to the article. [31] --Niemzowitsch (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! You can always add new ones. Please do it. Thanks for your opinion on my chess page. - Behatzlacha - Mibelz 21:17, 1 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why did you move my sandbox copy of UPA and overwrite the original article???? Bobanni (talk) 15:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think, it is clear that article concerns Ukrainian Insurgent Army and it does not concern person, User:Bobanni (his life, hobby, etc.). So, in my opinion, the title ought to be change. Shalom, Mibelz 15:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

All files that belong to an editor are prefixed with User:. Note yours is User:Mibelz. I was working on an alternaive layout from a former copy. It is not ready to be released. If you copy it again it will really infuriate the other editors who are working on this article Bobanni (talk) 16:16, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello ! I see that the German article is much larger than the English one. Do you know someone that knows enough German to be able to expand the English version?

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 10:19, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think, a German wikipedist DaQuirin is a good contact. Mibelz 10:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I will contact him. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I read in this article that Johannes Minckwitz took 4th at Frankfurt 1878 (12th WSB–Congress, L. Paulsen won); then a little later that Johannes Minckwitz tied for 3rd-5th at Braunschweig 1880 (12th WSB–Congress, L. Paulsen won);

Which of the two is correct? Thank you! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your glance of the eagle's eye. The 12th WDSB Kongress was held at Frankfurt 1878, and the 13th and last West Deutschen Schachbund (WDSB) Congress took place at Braunschweig 1880. Please look at the German Chess Championship page which I started. - Mibelz 8:40, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the compliment and also for the quick correction of the article! By the way - could you explain the acronyms WDSB-, NDSB-, MDSB?

--Niemzowitsch (talk) 08:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WDSB - Westdeutschen Schachbund (Western/West German Chess Association/Federation), NDSB - Norddeutschen Schachbund (Northern/North German Chess Association/Federation}, MDSB - Mitteldeutschen Schachbund (Middle/Central German Chess Association/Federation).

See: http://www.endgame.nl/dsb.htm, please. Mibelz 10:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the link, I will see it later. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 11:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I read this short article and was surprised by :

>No Archiving Spiders Allowed

The change occured after an edit by User talk:NicDumZ. Very strange! --Niemzowitsch (talk) 12:15, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for an information. I have just added references into the page. --Mibelz (talk) 9:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You created an article on Vladimir Vuković, adding the category Category:Jewish chess players. Is there a source for this? I tried but I could not find a source one way or the other... GregorB (talk) 10:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! GregorB (talk) 13:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I must say I have no direct knowledge regarding Andrija Fuderer; his first name says Croat, his last name says German, possibly Jewish. However, this is all guesswork. His entry in List of Croatians (poorly conceived and referenced, BTW) would imply at least some Croat descent. I found this: he got his chemistry diploma in Zagreb, and was the 1951 Croatian chess champion.[32] (On a side note: I also found a US patent issued in 1965 to one Andrija Fuderer from Zagreb; deals with chemical technology, so that's almost certainly him.) GregorB (talk) 21:39, 23 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! It so happens that my mother (76 years old) was with him in the same class and remembers him very well. If you need any details on personnal basis that could clarify anything - just ask. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:47, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Mibelz. I'm sorry but I've just undone your suggestion that the NKVD might have been connnected with Alexey's death, as you provided no source. Philcha (talk) 14:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then you need to add a reference to a passage that actually says the NKVD might have been involved. Without such a ref I'd consider it unlikely, because Alexey's public disavowal of Alexander would have been good propaganda. Philcha (talk) 15:11, 25 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great work finding a reference for the decision to proceed with contest! Can you please clarify theh sentence "The assembly of team captains, Alexander Alekhine (FRA), Savielly Tartakower (POL) and Albert Becker (GER), decided to go on with the Olympiad" - does it mean only these 3 took the decision, or do you mean "A meeting of team captains, including Alexander Alekhine (FRA), Savielly Tartakower (POL) and Albert Becker (GER), decided to go on with the Olympiad? PS it would better to use the full name sof the countries; I'd do it, but that item should have your name on it!

Since you've found some refs that have eluded the rest of us, can you fiund anything about the claim (which I took out of the article), that Alekhine and Capablanca agreed in 1939 to play for the championship in 1940, but Capa could not raise the money? Philcha (talk) 17:10, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice try, but Wikipedia does not cite other encyclopedias. Apart from potential legal issues, this could lead to a circular situation where encyclopedia A cites encyclopedia B, encyclopedia B cites encyclopedia C, ..., encyclopedia X cites encyclopedia A - with no independent proof that the statement is true. In this case if Encarta cited its source and the citation was accurate we could also cite that source - but Encarta does not cite sources, so it's no help to us. I'll delete the ref to Encarta and comment out the paragraph. If you find another source, add it at the end of the paragraph and then remove the HTML comment tags to make it visible again. Philcha (talk) 19:16, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for filling in some of the gaps. The GA review is about to start, so no more changes, please! Philcha (talk) 21:38, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

I read "Bernhard Fleissig took 18th at Vienna 1882 (Wilhelm Steinitz and Szymon Winawer won),[1] took 2nd, behind Vincenz Hruby, at Vienna 1882,[2]"

In the Vincenz Hruby article it is mentioned that he reached the 11th place at the Vienna 1882 tournament [33] but the second tournament which he presumably won is not mentioned. I found it in the [34] so I assume it is correct. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 09:20, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the update! I added the new information also to the Hebrew article. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Do you understand German? If so, this article (scroll down to "Schwalbe-Urgestein entdeckt") would be a valuable source for Francisco Benko. Else I'll have to add some text to your article myself. --Con^structor 15:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I understand German more or less, so do it youself, please. Grüß aus Schlesien, Mibelz, 18:55, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good job on the article! Danke schön.-- Mibelz, 9:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome! --Con^structor 13:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I checked the link about "In the 1851 London International, he was knocked out in round 1 when he lost to Hugh Kennedy with two losses.". As I found out that Hugh Kennedy was born a few years after the tournament I replaced him with Hugh Alexander Kennedy (not written yet but the correct full name.) --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I have created an article on Hugh Alexander Kennedy and improved the London 1851 chess tournament. PS. It is a very interesting information on your mother and Andrija Fuderer. Is he a Jewish? -- Mibelz (talk) 11:47, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Very nice! Just read both articles and enjoyed it. I will ask my mother today for Fuderer and will write you what she says. Now it is a little bit too early to phone her. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 04:01, 2 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Do you have any idea how - as a Jew - he survived in the 2th world war?

Forgot to write you my mother's answer: Fuderer is not a Jew. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 10:51, 18 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the text and the link. Only in the last few years I heard part of the story of the survival of my mother (as an 8 years old child from the train to Auschwietz) and then a long walk with her sister back to their home in Yugoslavia only to be taken to another concentration camp. The story of the survival of my father was never told to me in detail - I just know that my grandfather was suspicious when all the students in my father's school were ordered to meet for an outing near the forest and he forbid my father to join the class. On the same day some 400 children were killed in the forest and only 3 survived. How he managed to survive all the rest I do not know. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any reference for Paul Lipke being Jewish? --DaQuirin (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Look at an article CHESS (In Modern Times) in JewishEncyclopedia.com (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=437&letter=C), please.

Paul Lipke shared 2nd, behind Siegbert Tarrasch, at Leipzig 1894. -- Shalom, Mibelz 16:55, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wasn't the Jewish Encyclopedia famously wrong with Carl Schlechter? I am not sure. --DaQuirin (talk) 18:29, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS: There is an odd Internet source for the claim [35] I dedicate this Art in the name of my Great-Great Grandfather Paul Lipke the First Jewish Grand Chess Master of Germany 1892 (which is wrong, Lipke won the Hauptturnier 1892, whereas Tarrasch won the DSB congress). There is not much known about him, so he maybe had a Jewish (grand)parent (?). But it's pure speculation of course. --DaQuirin (talk) 18:40, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DaQuirin! Imagine, I have already prepared a note on the Jewish background of Carl Schlechter and Boris Spassky to send to Wikipedia.

"There are discussions on Boris Spassky's, as well as Carl Schlechter's, Jewish roots. In Wiki Category:Jewish chess players includes not only religious Jews, but also atheists, catholics, orthodox, protestants, etc., with Jewish background, and even anti-Semites (i.e. Robert James Fischer), so the Outrage in Russia as Spassky puts name to rabidly anti-Semitic petition is not a decisive argument.

However, it is a fact that Jewish chess historians present Spassky and Schlechter as Jewish. See for example, Harold U. Ribalow & Meir Z. Ribalow, The Great Jewish Chess Champions (http://www.jewsinsports.org/Publication.asp?titleID=4&current_page=13 and http://www.jewsinsports.org/Publication.asp?titleID=4&current_page=21),

Jewish Reference, Sports - Jewish Chess Players (Schlechter, Spassky, etc.) (http://www.jewishreference.com/sports-chess.html)

Joseph Jacobs & A. Porter, Chess (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=437&letter=C),

10 Great Jewish Chess Masters (http://greatjews.net/chess.aspx), and

A Wolf on the Fold, in the Australasian Chess Review, 30 March 1938 (pages 71-72): (…) In no field have the Jews excelled more than in chess. A New Zealand correspondent gives us the following list of famous Jewish masters: Löwenthal, Zukertort, Steinitz, Chigorin, Lasker, Schlechter, Janowsky, Winawer, Tarrasch, Rubinstein, Bernstein, Spielmann. (http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/jews.html) - all about Schlechter,

or Felix Berkovich Jewish Chess Masters On Stamps reviewed by John Donaldson: "Berkovich leaves out Spassky, Smyslov, Fischer, and Kortchnoi, all of whom have Jewish mothers, but includes Kasparov, who had a Jewish father. The key criteria for inclusion for Berkovich is whether the player acknowledges their Jewish ethnicity." (http://www.jeremysilman.com/book_reviews_jd/jd_jewish_chess_masters.html)"

What do you think about it? -- Shalom, Mibelz (talk), 20:30, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, it's exciting to interact with someone who shares the same interest in chess history. Now discussing 'Jewish ancestry matters' is a bit awkward for many Germans ... but nevertheless. About Spassky I am not too well informed. But on the Schlechter case there exists a well known discussion, starting from the 1920s (when he was already dead) to be stimulated again by Alekhine's infamous chess articles which (probably falsely) included Schlechter among the Jewish chess masters. Chess historian Edward Winter deals with the topic here. The most important quote is from Schlechter's modern biographer Warren Goldman: "Schlechter ‘was born of a Catholic family known for its industry and creativity in the field of music’." Until today, so fas as I know, there was never a real fact given about how he might be related to Jewish people. Moreover and generally speaking, it is difficult to answer the question when and how a potentially distant relationship makes somebody Jewish or not (and wasn't Paul Morphy an Irishman?). In Schlechter's case there is no real hint. Just repeating it over and over again, does not make it true without some concrete reference about his (potential) Jewish filiation or relatives. -- DaQuirin (talk) 22:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will tell you the very tolerant legal view of Israel regarding the immigrants that come to Israel: if someone was treated as a Jew by the Nuremberg Laws he was aloud to enter Israel as a Jew, even if the Halakha would not recognize him as a Jew. By this definition both Ksaparov and Fischer are Jews. --Niemzowitsch (talk) 14:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know he had a son. Do you have sources for by whom, when, and where? BTW you should use Template:Cite book for book quotes, preferably with a page number - otherwise Alexander Alekhine might be demoted! Philcha (talk) 22:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the book "Kasparov, Garry (2003). Garry Kasparov on My Great Predecessors: Part 1. Everyman Chess. ISBN 1-85744-330-6." (Chapter: Alexander the Fourth, Invincible, page 454 - in Polish edition), please. Is Garii Kasparov a valuable source for you ?! --User:Mibelz 6:08, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Kasparov's My Great Predecessors is a usable source. Now you need to re-format the ref using Template:Cite book,and include the page number. Philcha (talk) 07:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is a picture of Alexander Aljechin (or Alekhine), Swiss citizen [36]. The mother is given as Alekhine's second wife, so it should be Swiss journalist and Comintern delegate Anneliese Rüegg. --DaQuirin (talk) 14:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Polish edition" - I like it!

Great job on the German Chessbase article, DaQuirin! Philcha (talk) 20:48, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi DaQuirin! I have created an article Mannheim 1914 chess tournament with two crosstables (Meisterturnier and Hauptturnier A). Have you any information on final results of Haupturnier B or C (Brach and Rudniev won) there? -- Mibelz (talk) 15:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz, good work, I found the results of the "Hauptturnier B" (and of the "Nebenturniere" which are not relevant enough in my view). I will add that information, takes one day or two. Just one comment: Hallégua (the mysterious man) etc. did not "win" the aborted tournament, strictly speaking. So, Hallégua (Halegua, I found out, is a Sephardic jewish name, still common in Istanbul), did not become "Meister des Deutschen Schachbundes" (which corresponded to an IM title or even more). --DaQuirin (talk) 12:08, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How come that WIKIPEDIA missed this one?

Johann Baptist Allgaier (1763-1823) was the author of the first chess book published in German, Neue theoretisch-praktische Anweisung zum Schachspiel. It was published in Vienna in 1795. Johann Baptist intended to become a Catholic priest, but while travelling to Poland, discovered chess and became a player and a chess author. He went to Vienna to become a professional chess player and was the strongest chess master in Vienna. He was the first operator of the Turk automaton. He operated the Turk when it beat Napoleon Bonaparte in 1805 in Wagrum, Austria. He served as quartermaster accountant in the Austrian Imperial army from 1798 to 1816. He acted as chess tutor to the Emperor’s sons. In 1811, he reprinted his book with the openings in tabular form. This was an innovation and still used today. He died of dropsy, the accumulation of excessive watery fluid outside the cells of the body (Deschapelles and La Bourdonnais also died of dropsy). The Allgaier Gambit is 1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.Ng5. Allgaier published analysis on it in 1819.

This is copied from Chessopedia home

Yesterday I looked at some names that wrote problems and studies. I also missed Frantisek Dedrle and Ilja Lwowitsch Maiselis (exists in the German wikipedia).

Greetings --Niemzowitsch (talk) 03:50, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First - Enjoy your holidays! Second - I have only the source that I mentioned to you, so I am not sure it is enough. Did you notice the many new (small) details that I add to the articles , specially about their games?

If possible I will try to surprise you when you come back in two weeks with an article on Allgaier, I hope it will be good enough... --Niemzowitsch (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The best and complete stuff available in German is at Michael Ehn's shop [37], click 'Wissenschaft' and you will find a four-part-article. --DaQuirin (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is strange to find a building constructed by Alexander Wittek two years after his death?! --212.143.191.33 (talk) 09:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alexander Wıttek constructed the Cıty Hall ın 1892-93. See agaın the artıcle, please. Marmaris - Turkey 19:01, 3 July 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.49.14.21 (talk)

Hello!

You mention at the last sentence that "In matches, he won against Carl Carls, drew with Ehrhardt Post, and lost to Rudolf Spielmann and Emanuel Lasker."

In the German wikipedia it is written "Er spielte Wettkämpfe gegen bekannte Schachmeister: in München 1909 unterlag er Rudolf Spielmann mit 1-2 (+1-2=0), 1909 in Berlin Eduard Lasker mit 1-3 (+1-3=0). Er besiegte 1906 Horatio Caro in Berlin mit 5,5-1,5 (+5-1=1)."

I find it much more sensible that he played with Eduard Lasker as I hardly believe that he could win against Emanuel Lasker at his prime.

Could you please check? --Niemzowitsch (talk) 09:07, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I know that you do a tremendous work on the chess articles, but I read this one and found that it was copied from [38]exactly: see "Aaron Alexandre, a Bavarian trained as a rabbi, arrived in 1793.[84] Gratified by the Revolutionaries’ policy of religious toleration he decided to become a French citizen. At first, he taught German for his livelihood, and made mechanical inventions and played chess as pastimes. Eventually, however, chess became his principal occupation. He set himself the task of making a complete survey of the openings that had been analyzed up to then, publishing his findings as the Encyclopédie des échecs (Encyclopedia of Chess, 1837). Then he made a survey of endgame analyses and a compilation of almost two thousand chess problems, which he published in London as The Beauties of Chess (1846). Both books set new standards of comprehensiveness for their specialties and showed Alexander’s great technical knowledge. In chess as in his other activities, he preferred erudition to performance." copy/paste from the site... --Niemzowitsch (talk) 12:45, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Yasser Seirawan does not belong on a "list of chess players who have moved to compete for another country." He moved to the US when he was 7, and there's no indication at all that that move was in order to play chess. Also no indication that he ever played chess for or in Syria. You may have added other names to that list who also don't belong for the same reason, but I'm not familiar with most of the specifics. See List of nationality transfers in sport, and particularly the second item describing persons not included: "Players who represented the country they moved to in childhood." Quale (talk) 05:02, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're doing a great job of internationalising this article - and many others! Thanks! -- Philcha (talk) 09:22, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting crosstables! There was probably a (German) chess federation of the General Government, linked to the Großdeutscher Schachbund (represented by Paul Mross in the Europaturnier 1941). As for the flag: There seems to have been no distinct flag [39]. As the term Generalgouvernement implies, it was to be seen as a temporary unit during a war situation (with the territory to be fully annexed later and possibly divided into some new Nazi territories). --DaQuirin (talk) 12:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Replied at my talk page. Thanks! Click the Man in my siggy to get there. Sealim Man 00:23, 25 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See the comments at Category:Chess grandmasters and the discussion at Talk:Grandmaster (chess). A consensus was reached that we would only put FIDE (i.e. 1950 and later) grandmasters into Category:Chess grandmasters, because the pre-1950 usage was so inconsistent and unclear. Peter Ballard (talk) 10:36, 26 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken your comments on board, and tried to raise discussion at Talk:Grandmaster (chess)#so who goes in the GM category?. Peter Ballard (talk) 05:12, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When reverting the category (Hermann von Gottschall) I had not checked who had introduced this. Do you have any information on him, considering him Polish? --DaQuirin (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Between 1772 and 1795 the entire territory of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was divided between Russia, Prussia, and Austria. In 1807-1809, Emperor Napoleon I of France restored Poland as a Duchy of Warsaw, consisting of the territories Prussia and Austria had annexed in 1793-95 (western and central Poland – Posen, Warsaw, Cracow, etc.). After Napoleon's fall, the situation was finally resolved at the Congress of Vienna in 1815. The victorious Russia took control over most of the Duchy of Warsaw (Kingdom of Poland). Prussia took a part of the Duchy of Warsaw – Greater Poland (Provinz Posen), and Austria – Cracow, merged into Galicia.

The Category:Polish chess players includes persons who were born in Poland and began playing chess in Poland. So, there are such chess masters as Jean Taubenhaus (Warsaw), Samuel Rosenthal (Suwałki), Samuel Reshevsky (Ozorków), Samuel Factor (Lodz), Arthur Dunkelblum (Cracow), Salo Landau (Bochnia), Paul Saladin Leonhardt (Posen), Edward Lasker (Kempen), Johannes Zukertort (Lublin), Ignatz von Popiel (Lemberg), etc. Hermann von Gottschall also was born in Poland (Posen).

In the category there are not only Roman-Catholic ethnic Poles but also people with other ethnic background and/or religion, who were born in the historical (no doubt) regions of Poland. --Mibelz (talk) 22:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Puh! :) The native Germans in the Province of Posen were not considered as Poles (strange idea, frankly speaking). Not by the Germans, not by the Poles, so by whom? Gottschall spent only his first two years (as a baby) in Posen, grew up in Leipzig, his parents were both Germans. So I think that you are up a blind alley here. You should at least bring a source for your claim that Gottschall was a "Polish chessplayer". Your examples of other chessplayers are (mostly) of a different order (see Congress Poland). (As for the Jewish population in the Province of Posen, I find it at least questionable to call them "Poles".) People like Edward Lasker were considered as German-Americans in the United States... --DaQuirin (talk) 22:49, 29 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that for a category "Polish people" you opt for differences between ethnic Poles and no-ethnic Poles who had/have Polish roots because of birth place. I am against any nationalism, so I prefer another option.

It is no doubt that regions of Greater Poland (Province of Posen) and so called Congress Poland (Priwislanskij Kraj) are Poland. You have written: "People like Edward Lasker were considered as German-Americans in the United States". It is a rather weak argument. In the 19th century, not only Polish Jews but also ethnic Poles from Prussian and Austrian occupied areas were often considered as German-Americans in the USA. Of course, Posen - capital of Greater Poland, Cracow capital of Lesser Poland, Warsaw - capital of Masovia belong to Poland. --User:Mibelz, 09:41, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, but Edward Lasker was not a Pole. Following your logic, people like Erich Ludendorff or Paul von Hindenburg, both born in or around Posen, could be considered as Poles too... --DaQuirin (talk) 10:24, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Finishing our discussion, I would like to agree with you on Hermann von Gottschall, Erich Ludendorff and Paul von Hindenburg but not on Edward Lasker and other Polish Jews. There is not essential differences between - for example - Edward Lasker, Samuel Reshevsky and Max Judd. All of them were born into Jewish families in Poland; first in Greater Poland (Prussian Provinz Posen), second in Masovia (Russian Priwislanskij Kraj), third in Lesser Poland (Austrian Galizien), began playing chess among Polish Jews and then emigrated to the United States. They were not Poles but Polish (and others) chess players. However, Emanuel Lasker was German, Pomeranian, Jewish chess player, and Siegbert Tarrasch - German, Silesian, Jewish chess player, not Polish chess players.

In my opinion, Nicolaus Copernicus was Polish, German, Prussian astronomer, Daniel Chodowiecki - German, Polish, Pomeranian painter, Adam Mickiewicz - Polish, Lithuanian, Belorusian, Jewish poet, etc. Shalom, User:Mibelz - European, Galician, 16:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are quite generous with the tags, so why not. Maybe I have some Polish ancestry as well... As for Edward Lasker, I doubt that he had a notable cultural affiliation with Poland, he belongs according to his biography to the Breslau Jews, and then we come to Daniel Harrwitz, Siegbert Tarrasch etc. etc. Of course it is in many cases not easy to decide (and has not to be decided) who is a German Jew or Polish Jew. PS: We started our discussion with Gottschall and ended up somewhere else! --DaQuirin (talk) 16:29, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And I like your truly Central (or East Central) European perspective very much, Mibelz! It's missing here in many areas outside Chess as your comments on Copernicus, Chodowiecki and Mickiewicz prove. Did you know that Chodowiecki who was also a Polish-German Huguenot, rests on the cemetary of the French-Protestant Church in Berlin? Europe can be fascinating. best,--DaQuirin (talk) 16:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes there is no way out as to decide open questions on a case-by-case basis and to move in troubled waters... I cherish your work in this field very much. I would like to draw your attention to more interesting Posen stuff. There were two correspondence games in the 1830s between the chess clubs of Berlin and Posen. As I see, there are no names known for the Posen players. The clubs in these areas were in most cases either German- or Polish-speaking, and ethnically divided. But I am not sure as for the early Posen club, maybe they had Polish players and it is certainly part of the Polish chess history. Any information available about this would be welcome. --DaQuirin (talk) 11:11, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now I see that there is even a list of the 29 members of this historic chess club (mostly Germans, it seems, but some Polish names as well). The handwritten list (by Ludwig Bledow) is contained in a faksimile edition of Bledow's book "Korrespondenzpartien" (Dresden 1997). But what came out of this? I contributed to some articles on historic chess clubs in the German wiki (see for example de:Wiener Schachklub), and if there is additional Polish material available on the Posen chess club, I could start a new one... --DaQuirin (talk) 11:35, 30 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello!

You wrote "for 4-5th at Amsterdam 1919 (Richard Réti and Max Marchand won), tied for 3-6th at Rotterdam 1919 (Réti won); shared 2nd, behind Abraham Speijer, at Amsterdam 1919;[1]"

Are those two different tournaments that were played in Amsterdam 1919 ? --Yoavd (talk) 04:53, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've noticed that the above article was begun by you. It has been tagged for potential deletion for some time and could use some work to establish notability, if it is notable. I don't have enough chess background to judge it too accurately but it doesn't seem to have much coverage. Any thoughts? Cheers! --Stormbay (talk) 00:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks! --Stormbay (talk) 23:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I believe it is the same one that played at the 1928 olympicf games.[40] --Yoavd (talk) 05:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Could you take a look at this edit on the Stanisław Kohn article you created. The IP in question has made several malicious edits recently and I have a feeling he may have incorrectly changed some dates (which I have no means of verifying). Thanks, THEN WHO WAS PHONE? (talk) 11:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Great! I though as much ;) Happy editing, THEN WHO WAS PHONE? (talk) 11:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It is written "He was the first Swedish Champion (1917–1921 and 1922–1924), and a Nordic Champion in 1917."

Then for Anton Olson it is written: "He was Swedish Champion in 1921, and thrice played matches for the title, all in Stockholm. He lost a match to Gustaf Nyholm (1.5 : 3.5) in 1919, won against Nyholm (3 : 2) in 1921, and lost to Nyholm (1.5 : 3.5) in 1921"

So I cannot understand - who was the champion in 1921? Both? ....

Thank you! --Yoavd (talk) 07:40, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

I found that he also played in the 1924 Olympiad. [41]

Also this information is interesting:

Frederic Lazard, better known as a composer of chess endgames studies and problems, wrote that this was a friendly game between an amateur and himself, played in 1922. He wrote that the game went, 1.d4 d5 2.b3 Nf6 3.Nd2 e5 4.dxe5 Ng4 5.h3 Ne3 and White resigned. [42]

Problem number 8 is his : [43]

I am not sure if you think this material important enough. In the Hebrew article I added them anyhow. --Yoavd (talk) 10:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I hope you don't mind my occasional changes to your English ... someone was mildly confused on the Talk Page ... always feel free to correct things when I miss your intention or fail to check the maths, as happened here. I think "chosen country" is fine. "He played under the xxxxx flag" is how it is often described in a text, but I can't think of a good, short title based on this phrase - "adopted flag" maybe?. Korchnoi was of course famously described as "stateless" for a while, after his defection in 1976. I'm not sure he didn't play under a 'Jolly Roger' pirate flag for a while just to wind up the Soviet authorities ... or maybe I just made that up; my memory isn't what it used to be. Brittle heaven (talk) 23:36, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The part about "the author" is a computer translation from German. I did not want to erase it, but it is really not good. Usually your articles have such good English! --Yoavd (talk) 06:05, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks! It is much better now. --Yoavd (talk) 06:55, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I tried to find who is Kautsky that in 1933 Opočenský played in his memorial. I could find only one Karl Kautsky but he died in 1938... Do you know who is the other Kautsky ? Thank you!

In the 1942 para you mention him playing in the Duras memorial, but Oldřich Duras passed away also ten years later - so could you check it also? --Yoavd (talk) 04:48, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you! So you see - most of my remarks are not meaningful, but if one remark corrects an entry - it is certainly worth it! --Yoavd (talk) 14:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again,

You mention that he shared 8th place in the Championship of Moscow 1928, but in this link he is placed at 19th place. Is it the same tournament? I am not sure because in the table Verlinsky is mentioned as the winner, so maybe there were two tournamnets?? [44]

Also the 1924 tournament is different in this table [45] as number 5 is Sergeev A.

Thank you! --Yoavd (talk) 10:26, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I like what you did in creating John Angus Erskine, but several sentences seem to be lifted directly from the first reference (which is a very good source). I think those parts may need to be rephrased a little to avoid any possible WP:COPYVIO concerns. 165.189.101.177 (talk) 19:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• You are right! I think, you are British, Australian, or American, so do it yourself, please. -- Mibelz (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there - Leon Rosen was born in Warsaw, Mar 1869, but appeared on the New York 1900 Census, where he died 16 Aug 1942. Not sure whether you would therefore class his native country as Poland or US? I can see that this dilemma might crop up now and again.

Also, it's incorrect to use, for example, State: USA and Native Country: New York. Even more confusing when New York is a State in the other sense of the word. I don't have any easy answers, but do you think the second column is really necessary in so many instances, particularly where it might push the edge of the crosstable off the page?

Alternatively, maybe the second column could be Country of origin and Rosen could simply be denoted USA/Poland, while Pillsbury would be USA/USA, without his US State being mentioned - it would be less confusing I think. Any thoughts? Brittle heaven (talk) 15:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response. The difference is that "native" has several meanings - it can refer to a place of birth, or it can mean "an inhabitant of"; i.e. where you live or belong. So someone like Rosen, having spent a long time in New York, may have felt like a "native" New Yorker, or if he didn't develop a sense of belonging, then he may still have considered himself a "native" of Poland. "Country of origin" or "Country of birth" are more straightforward in meaning. 'United Kingdom' (and 'Great Britain') are really just government terms. We use England, Scotland, Wales, etc. most of the time and so our 'counties' (like Essex, Middlesex, Yorkshire etc.) are the equivalent of the U.S. States (like Ohio, West Virginia, Maine etc.). It is a shame that the English language is so duplicitous - states within a state - counties within countries - I can imagine it's all very confusing. I noticed one of your entries for another tournament listed George Thomas as - UK/TURKEY. Well, it's technically correct of course, but a bit meaningless, as George would have considered himself an Englishman as would most chess writers, so I'm not sure that the second column is always that helpful. Brittle heaven (talk) 18:27, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Since you have added this to several tournament pages, I have raised the issue at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chess#Listing Native Countries in tournaments. Peter Ballard (talk) 01:51, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz. Botvinnik may have been born in what was then part of Finland, but he was Russian, and represented the USSR, which I believe is all we need to show. A Finland flag is highly misleading. Do you not think that table looks very awkward? As Philcha has pointed out, you have assigned a "Native country" of New York to Fine, which is nonsense.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tables are supposed to be easily understood at a glance. You may use Native Country to mean several different things, but how is the reader to know what you mean when they come across the table in an article? Anyway, let's see how the debate develops on the Wikiproject talk page. Regards, --Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:21, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Poland. The Oxford Companion to Chess (2nd ed. 1992), p. 448, calls him a "Polish player". Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess, p. 343, calls him, "A Polish master, born in Warsaw." Arpad Elo's book The Rating of Chessplayers, Past and Present, p. 196, gives his "Country of Birth/Residence" as "Poland" (i.e., he both was born and resided in Poland, unlike, say, Johannes Zukertort, who is listed as "Poland/England"). Krakatoa (talk) 18:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We really need articles on strong tournaments, so it is great that you are doing this. Even pretty well-informed chessplayers (like me!) don't know enough about the great tournaments of the past, such as Vienna 1882. Much more recently, the Linares tournaments are phenomenally strong tournaments that all deserve articles. I am not a huge Karpov fan, but his victory at Linares 1994 was probably the best tournament result ever. Best wishes to you. Krakatoa (talk) 20:38, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - Gaige lists Carl-Friedrich Schmid and Carl Wemmers, but only has a birthplace for Schmid, which is Jelgava. Nothing on von Schutz/Schuetz unfortunately. Regards, Brittle heaven (talk) 19:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hello - excellent work on 1917 in chess and the others you have done lately. I hope to start up again soon with my run through the 1970s and 1980s. To speed up searching for births and deaths I recommend the intersection tool: http://tools.wikimedia.de/%7Edaniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php. Simply fill in the first three boxes like so,

Wiki - en (.wikipedia.org)

Search by category - Chess players

- 1917 births

and then click 'scan' and wait for a few seconds before scrolling down.

Regards Brittle heaven (talk) 16:44, 17 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is a message to tell that the article you created, Isaias Pleci, has beed copyedited. Thank you, The New Mikemoral ♪♫ 20:59, 19 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this. Those vandals seem to like this page for there sad adventures.... — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 11:31, 23 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Do you know the name of an user who is the moderator of Wikipedia:WikiProject Chess? Now, a wikipedist User:Hubschrauber729, probably from Germany, destroys the Category:Jewish chess players. I think, it is time to stop him. Maybe the moderator could block his page.

PS. In May 2009, I have been in China, and I have just expanded considerably articles: History of the Jews in China and Kaifeng Jews. By the way, I know a history of Livonia quite well. -- Shalom, Mibelz (talk) 11:51, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz, nice to hear from you. The history of Jews in Asia is a truly fascinating topic. As for user Hubschrauber (means "Helicopter"): After checking his edits, I don't think that he wants to destroy the whole category. First, I reverted some of his obviously false edits. In some cases, references on the talkpage (Jewish Encylopedia and the like) would be helpful. To me, it seems partly a matter of style. In Izak Aloni's case there are five (!) categories dealing with him being Jewish. --DaQuirin (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

		Ukraine Barnstar
		I give you this Ukraine Barnstar for expanding the List of Ukrainians article, and your not even Ukrainian ;) ! — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 14:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks a lot for the barnstar! Mibelz (talk) 14:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Endurence should be rewarded :) — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 14:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am a real Galician, so that the blood of four nations runs in my veins! Mibelz (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No wonder your so active :) — Mariah-Yulia (talk) 14:19, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the discussion at Talk:J. G. Ballard and WP:COMMONNAMES, I've restored J.G. Ballard as the he main article name for the author. That is his professional name and the name he was primarily known by. freshacconci talktalk 12:11, 15 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We are discussing on german wikipedia here, if Kramer is a honorary Grandmaster or not. Maybe you know something useful, because you wrote the article on en:WP. Regards SteMicha (talk) 20:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The question is still pending :) I would appreciate it if you could answer it (here or in german wikipedia). 85.212.22.235 (talk) 17:42, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I noticed this addition here. No problem with non-primary language English speakers' contributions, but the sentences have serious grammar issues such that the information they are attempting to impart is not at all clear. Two sentences are also unsourced and contain some superflous information (e.g., names of various diplomats) for an article on this topic.

I think (speculating from the text) the information you are trying to add is that some governments (e.g., US, Britain and Italy) were passed information that secret protocols also were signed along with the public Pact, without being given copies of the text. But I am not sure, as the sentences lack clarity and suffer from severe grammatical issues. It is not at all clear what the sentence "Only Polish diplomats (Józef Beck and ambassadors) were 'blind'" means. It almost appears to state that the only country on Earth that did not know the contents of the secret protocols was Poland, which is obviously false. But, again, it is not clear what information is attempting to be imparted.Mosedschurte (talk) 14:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! Your grammar corrections are Ok but it is wrong when you try to hide or remove importants facts, which are discomforted for the U.S., U.K., France, Italy, or even Poland. No one source presents fact that Polish government received an information on Polish territories in the secret protocol, signed on August 23/24, 1939, in Moscow. Of cource, Allies, especially Brittain and France, did not inform Poland. They did not want to discourage Polish government and people from their will to fight against Germany. So, immidiately on August 25, 1939, Brittain decided to sign the Polish-British Common Defence Pact.

In the page Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact ought to be an information about different European diplomats, not only about Hans von Herwarth and Charles Bohlen (USA). Well, I am talking about an objective presentation of the story. Shalom, Mibelz (talk), 16:16, 29 Aug 2009 (UTC)

No one is "hide or remove importants facts" facts central to the article, but I noticed the recent addition of several diplomats' names of to the article not involved in the central events regarding the agreement or necessary for the WP:Summary form of the article, such as the names of the signers of the Treaty of Rapallo: "On April 16, 1922, Germany and Soviet Russia entered the Treaty of Rapallo, signed by Walther Rathenau and Georgy Chicherin" and "the 1926 Treaty of Berlin]], signed by Gustav Stresemann and Nikolai Krestinsky." Some of this detail might be more appropriate for other articles, such as Treaty of Berlin (1926), Treaty of Rapallo, 1922, Invasion of Poland (1939) and Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact article focuses mainly on the agreement itself and summarizes very briefly the Soviet and German events during the agreement's operation. For example, only a few sentences are devoted to the invasions of Poland, the Baltic invasions, etc. Detail on this items is more appropriate for articles on those topics, such as Invasion of Poland (1939), Soviet invasion of Poland and Occupation of the Baltic States, etc. In addition, regarding more information on Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations, such information should probably be placed in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations article, which contains more detailed descriptions of such events.Mosedschurte (talk) 22:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't wish to belabor these points, but you have just again added material to Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact that should instead be added to other articles. Two quick helpful guidelines:

(1) Please add additional March to August 1939 details to Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations (not Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact) - The article to which you need to add details about Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations and pre-Pact events is the Wikipedia article Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations, NOT Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, which contains only short non-detailed summaries of those events and a link to the main article. I understand from the many edits that a language barrier exists, but I am not sure how best to make this clear other than to leave messages on your talk page.

(2) Please add diplomatic details not directly related to the Soviet-German pact and operations to the appropriate articles on those various topics - details about individual diplomats not directly related to the Soviet-German deal and its operations -- such as the signers of the Treaty of Berlin and Treaty of Rapallo -- are details beyond the scope of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact article, which focuses primarily upon that agreement and direct operations thereabout. These diplomat details are best suited for other articles, such as the Treaty of Berlin (1926) and Treaty of Rapallo, 1922. The same regarding details of discussion regarding the invasion of Poland, which is covered in a fairly summary fashion in the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact article with a link to the main article. The place for details regarding such events are the main articles on the Polish invasions, which are Invasion of Poland (1939) and Soviet invasion of Poland. Please add information regarding that particular invasion, including reference to specific diplomats, to those articles instead of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact article. Mosedschurte (talk) 10:59, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey man! What are talking about? It is not a wrong article. See the Contents of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact (Pre-August Tripartite negotiations, Beginning of Soviet–German secret talks, August negotiations, etc.), please. It is a question why you are removing true informations about the most important Stalin's political decisions (i.e. his speeches on March 10 and August 19, 1939). It seems you are an ignorant on this matter, or a defender of the Soviet Russian propaganda! In contrary to you, I am interested in facts not propaganda, and I try to present, as well as solid European historians, the most important facts and a balanced interpretation of the pre-war period. -- Mibelz (talk), PhD., 10:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Three things:

(1) I'm not saying that marginally related diplomat names and the like aren't related to the Pact, but only that details -- like various non-central diplomat names not connected with the deal-- regarding March to August 1939 negotiations should be instead included in the main articles on the topic, like separate article Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact negotiations, while details involving various treaties and invasion should be included in other articles, such as [Treaty of Berlin (1926)]], Treaty of Rapallo, 1922,Invasion of Poland (1939) and Soviet invasion of Poland.

(2) Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact contains only summary information regarding other events not directly related to the Pact or its operation. It contains only very brief summary information on other related items, usually with a link to the main articles on those subjects.

(3) This is the first time that I have ever been called a "a defender of the Soviet Russian propaganda!". To the contrary, if you'll check the article's talk page history, you will notice that I have opposed the inclusion of numerous unsourced, fringe or other inappropriate-to-the-article items that many times might also be characterized as Soviet POV. Check pretty much any Talk page topic involving editor Paul Siebert. Mosedschurte (talk) 10:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Galicia (eastern Europe). 94.29.52.50 (talk) 17:55, 23 December 2009 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})[reply]

Hello Mibelz! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 10 of the articles that you created are Unreferenced Biographies of Living Persons. Please note that all biographies of living persons must be sourced. If you were to add reliable, secondary sources to these articles, it would greatly help us with the current 297 article backlog. Once the articles are adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the list:

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Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 19:57, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It has been proposed that this article be renamed Serhiy Tihipko. This is a controversial move so can only be made after discussion. Since you tried to unilaterally make this move, please could you explain why this is desirable at Talk:Sergei Tigipko#Requested move.--Toddy1 (talk) 19:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Mibelz, fine that you are coming back to your chess biographies. As for Roele, I have no real clue. But I suppose that if his first name is "Charles", it's one and the same person. In France Dutch (or Flemish) names are quite common (see French Flanders). But it's only a guess... --DaQuirin (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I created a new map for it. need to upload it soon Hxseek (talk) 00:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I created the map originally for przeworsk and chernyakov zones, but it also included Kiev culture area, hence someone included it on the article (possibly me). I then did a new, better graphics map, but i left Kiev culture out. But I have an even newer one with it back in - i just haven't loaded it up yet. The map of tribes is just that - a map of Slavic tribes. No one said it has anything directly to do with the Kievl culture Hxseek (talk) 01:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that's certainly a prominent position, but by no means is it universally accepted. In fact, recently, there has been serious doubt that such a thing as a 'homelnad' actually existed for historic peoples. Hxseek (talk) 09:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]