User talk:Oxy20

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Hello Oxy20. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article, talk page and deletion discussion for the Murder of Oksana Makar, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject.

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For information on how to contribute to Wikipedia when you have a conflict of interest, please see our frequently asked questions for organizations. Your only contributions on English language, Russian language and Ukrainian language Wikipedia appear to be aimed either at suppressing information about the murder, or in suggesting that the victim was not a good person. I note that you have been permanently blocked on Ukrainian Wikipedia for using legal threats.--Toddy1 (talk) 10:38, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can conirm that I have no connection with the pesons involved in the case. I was born in Ukraine bu about 500km from the crime scene. I did however felt disgusted by the way some of the artiles were written - more like tabloid rather then Encyclopdia articles. I was involvd in discussion of Russian, English and Ukrainian versions because I understand all three languages. Given that I believe it would be strang to confine invovement to one language. It is strange how your Wikipedia profile says that you do not understand neither English or Ukrainian yet you have been contributing at great length on this matter in English --User:Oxy20 11:13, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for confirming that.--Toddy1 (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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--Toddy1 (talk) 15:46, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

When you add a new section to a talk page the normal place to put it is at the bottom of the page. This makes it easier to find. Of course if you are adding to an existing section, then the comments go in that section.

You might want to move your comment on User talk:Yakudza to a new section at the bottom.[1]

I know you are new here. This message is just advice. It is not a criticism.--Toddy1 (talk) 09:59, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Murder_of_Oksana_Makar#Requested_move Thanks! Mootros (talk) 13:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to Wikipedia! Mootros (talk) 13:30, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 24968 Chernyakhovsky is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Either add or do not add claims that the girl was a prostitute. But stop trying to remote-control us to make your edits for you.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:09, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a simple matter of adding that statement. Need to cover background. So it is need for actually a lot of work. Probably need a section on background of both the victim and the suspects where it could all be adressed. But this is a lot of work that needs consensus. Oxy20 (talk) 20:32, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oxy - please be bold. You have the ability to make constructive edits. Whatever you do will be discussed, and edited by other editors. If you start small, then collectively we can add it to. In my opinion, the majority of the most reliable sources are written in Russian and Ukrainian. A lot of the stuff by Western journalists is probably second-hand embellishment of articles by news agencies.

Do not worry that people disagree with you about some things. Articles are written best when there is a level of challenge between contributors. This encourages editors to find good sources, and to stick to facts.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:29, 19 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Here you've added info about Lozinskij and Timoshenko as examples of 'mazhory'. Do any of the refs you've given call them 'mazhory'? I've had a skim through the refs and I can't see the word mazhory used at all, but maybe I've just missed it. If, however, the word is not used - it would seem to be OR to add these as examples. Furthermore, they don't even fit the type: they are not 'children' of officials, and they didn't avoid punishment. The point of the term is usally that the person avoids punishment through their influence - but that is not the case here. If they don't fit the term - they should be removed. Malick78 (talk) 21:53, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. Note avoiding the punishment in the end is not a criteria for mazhory. There has to be at some point a perception that the suspect will avoid punishment due to the influence. That was clearly the case - they even wanted to give him medal for murder! The term mazhory sometimes reffers to officials as well - but perhaps not so often and probably not so high ranking. It does not appear to have een used in connection with this case. I think there is actually a need for a page that would briefly list such notable Ukrainian cases. For now copied to my sandbox Oxy20 (talk) 23:24, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oxy - In English the family name goes last. If you write Marina Stavniychuk Nikolaeva, English people will assume the family name is Nikolaeva. The correct English-language word order is: Marina Nikolaeva Stavniychuk.--Toddy1 (talk) 21:08, 25 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]