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This is just a quick note to say thank you for working on some of the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography-sourced articles that I created last summer. Keep up the good work.

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Stuartyeates (talk) 06:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for very good work on the 2002 Birthday Honours. I added the appropriate WikiProject templates with ratings to this list, and I observed many problems with Birthday Honours and other UK honors lists, way beyond my ability or time to correct. If you look at other articles in the categories, you will find more to do. Keep up the good work. --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, and thank you for your edits to 2013 New Year Honours. However, you have removed a great deal of the standard formatting from these that I did, putting it out of alignment with our established way that we write this and other Honours lists (relevant salutations and PNLs outside of the link, adding a comma between PNLs, and using full names). Would you be terribly put-out if I fix it up to how we normally keep these?

James F. (talk) 01:29, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! There seems to be a variety of formats across the various honours lists, so any attempt to standardize is fantastic!

Paora (talk) 01:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent; will get on with it. Agree that we should probably codify these into one standard, and then try to standardise the existing lists, but the amount of effort will be a bit extreme…

James F. (talk) 18:46, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for creating Mark Solomon (New Zealand), Paora!

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I like how you added the post-nominal template to Potter. I can't work out how make the template accept other countries (instead of the default to Canada). That is a good work-around.

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Karl Stephens (talk) 19:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious, how did you know that Maurice Marshall died at home? Kansaikiwi (talk) 22:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As per citation given in article. 01:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for creating 1981 New Year Honours, Paora!

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Excellent - can we complete these for all years? It's a big job but it would be very useful.

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Thanks for creating 1959 New Year Honours, Paora!

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Hi - just a quick note to thank you for the edits you've been doing on the bio's I created/edited. For any future articles I create I'll follow the same standard you have converted those articles to (e.g. no caps for surnames, no use of (Mil) after awards etc.) Thanks! Clarke43 (talk) 23:11, 10 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

On 2 August 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Meka Whaitiri, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Meka Whaitiri, New Zealand's newest Member of Parliament, used to be a member of the Silver Ferns? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Meka Whaitiri. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Can I suggest that you use the following citation for this award?

<ref>{{cite news | url= http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19350506.2.12 | title=Official jubilee medals | date=6 May 1935 |volume=CXIX |issue=105 |newspaper=[[The Evening Post (New Zealand)|The Evening Post]] | accessdate=16 November 2013 | page=4}}</ref>

I suggest the following changes:

• leave out name="EP", as it's unlikely to be referenced again.
• add |volume=CXIX |issue=105, as this should be part of the citation
• use newspaper=[[The Evening Post (New Zealand)|The Evening Post]], as it's sourced from a newspaper, and that might as well be wikilinked

This is what it produces: original^[1] and modified.^[2]

Keep up your good work! Schwede66 09:59, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I see you've been categorising burials recently. In case you'd like to expand it, I should point out that I've just started Karori Cemetery, arguably the most important cemetery in NZ that didn't have its own article yet. Schwede66 19:02, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work on expanding this. Shows the value of creating stub! What is the source for the date of birth? The notes on the RDP show a date of 28 Jan 1856. Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 13:22, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

His entry in the "Register of Lad Clerks in the Service of the Great Western Railway Company", accessed via database on Ancestry.com as per reference in article, gives his date of birth as 28 January 1855. Paora (talk) 13:51, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Philafrenzy (talk) 14:31, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please can you cite a reference for Michael Baigent's birth name being Michael Barry Meehan. Thanks. Dickie birdie (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

As per the reference in the article ("Obituaries" (PDF). The Bulletin. Nelson College: 15. December 2013.), Baigent was known as Michael B Meehan while at Nelson College. "Barry" was established by consulting the New Zealand birth registration indexes for 1948 – hopefully this doesn't violate WP:OR! Paora (talk) 08:11, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Paora, thank you for patiently showing me the guidelines about citations in the lead. I learned something new. Thanks again. My regards, George Custer's Sabre (talk) 16:32, 18 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Good evening, I really would like you to explain why you added the 'residences' and removed some of the post-nom templates. The residents were left out for a reason and I do not see why the post-nom templates were removed, some were kept but changed to an inferior template. Such mass changes should really be discussed before hand. Nford24 (PE121 Personnel Request Form) 12:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to explain my edits.

1. The places of residence of the added, as per the published honours lists, for consistency as they are listed for the New Zealand recipients on the previous lists on Wikipedia - e.g. see 2014 New Year Honours#New Zealand. As far as I am aware, no objection has previously been raised about including the residences of those honoured. Thus not sure what would be the problem with adding this information. You stated that the residents [sic] were left out for a reason, but unhelpfully did not explain what that reason was, so it is difficult to discuss this further.
2. The post-nom templates were removed, as noted in my edit summary, to remove multiple linking of the same postnominals, as per the WP Manual of Style – see WP:REPEATLINK.

Paora (talk) 08:03, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora,

On the article, Frederick William Hilgendorf, you stated that DNZB establishes notability. Can you send me the page that indicates that? Also, the Demonym for New Zealand is -er. So my edit about that should not be incorrect. Robert4565 (talk) 17:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC) It can also be seen on this page: New Zealander|. Robert4565 (talk) 17:56, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the demonym for New Zealand is New Zealander, but, as per the list of adjectival and demonymic forms for countries and nations, the adjectival is New Zealand. So, it could be said that Hilgendorf was a New Zealander, or that Hilgendorf was a New Zealand teacher, but NOT that he is was a New Zealander teacher. On the question of notability of New Zealanders, and whether an entry in the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography establishes notability, refer to Wikipedia:Notability (New Zealand people) and the associated talk page. Paora (talk) 07:42, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora,

Thanks for all your work on the Lving New Zealand Knights and Dames page. It looks like Sir Graeme Davies is overdue for deletion from this page. He was knighted in the UK New Years Honours of 1996.

With appreciation, Dave Eaves — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.18.44.150 (talk) 12:18, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add an empty Defaultsort as you did in Con Devitt. This is worse than no defaultsort. Bgwhite (talk) 06:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for noticing and correcting my accidental oversight. Paora (talk) 07:24, 9 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand but it is confusing since there is a much more well-known actress of the same name. Yours, Quis separabit? 21:13, 2 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have the year of publication for the Central Leader article added with this edit? It is producing a referencing error. Schwede66 20:26, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

1975 - fixed! Paora (talk) 23:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Finally got round to dropping by and commending you for adding so many articles about All Blacks of the recent-ish past. I'm not from NZ myself but have some interest in rugby history and I see them being linked from tour articles on my watchlist. Good work! --Bcp67 (talk) 21:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the tweaking you've been doing on the NZ artist pages - it's very much appreciated.

Auchmill (talk) 01:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora. Since you've edited one or more of List of current members of the British Privy Council, British Government frontbench and Official Opposition frontbench in the last six months, I'd like to invite you to a discussion about the use of honorifics in those lists. The discussion is happening here, and I look forward to a helpful and robust discussion. DBD 20:56, 18 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for your work on All Black Biographys bro, awesome to see aye. Regards. Sirpottingmix (talk) 01:46, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for adding that infobox and coordinates; it's a great improvement. Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 10:35, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I added Template:NZ-cats to Patsy Reddy to manage Categories which you removed however I don't understand your reasoning, why did you remove template nz-cats?

My intention was to manage categories using the template.

@Sinesurfer: — Per WP:TEMPLATECAT, "it is recommended that articles not be placed in ordinary content categories using templates in this way." There are many reasons for this – see WP:TEMPLATECAT. Paora (talk) 09:59, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How interesting; I never knew this. Why then have that template in the first instance? Schwede66 16:45, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Good question! Paora (talk) 20:43, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed it is strange. A woman appointed a GNZM would be both a Category:Dames Grand Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit and a Category:New Zealand dames. The concerns about non-article pages may get added to the category are addressed by using Template:nz instead of nz-cats for lists and sort keys are unrelated to these articles.

Problem

1. By removing nz-cats there are now only 4 pages in Category:New Zealand dames instead of 38 so have to manually add the missing pages (which is the reason we use nz-cats) and
2. This behaviour ignores the other 95 Pages that link to "Template:Post-nominals/NZL-cats" where this is not a problem.

Your thoughts?

--Karl Stephens ( talk | contribs ) 03:49, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My thoughts are that we should be discussing this on the template's talk page. Schwede66 20:07, 2 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've put the template up for deletion. Schwede66 09:50, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I've seen you use the Template:Marriage on quite a few occasions, but you may not have it on your watchlist. Hence, I thought I'd draw this RfC to your attention. Schwede66 08:10, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Have fixed it. Schwede66 09:25, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Schwede66: Thanks! Paora (talk) 10:21, 27 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Alfred Eady is NOT the common name. It should be Lewis Eady, if anything, because that is the name known by far as the name of the firm which Lewis Alfred Eady ran. Please change it to that. Akld guy (talk) 00:11, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Te Ara site uses Alfred to distinguish him from his father. The common name for the music store, and the best name by far that it was known by, was LEWIS EADY. Akld guy (talk) 00:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can you please stop undoing my edits. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jvfmgnlllj (talk • contribs) 23:51, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora. I noticed that you recently used prabook.com as a source for information in Michael Hartshorn. Please note that the general consensus as expressed at WP:RSN is that prabook.com does not meet the reliable sourcing criteria for the inclusion of personal information in such articles. If you disagree, let's discuss it. Thanks. --Ronz (talk) 17:43, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora! There is no need to "correct" links that are redirects. These are acceptable, and sometimes even preferable, as per WP:NOTBROKEN. Thanks, Gaia Octavia Agrippa ^Talk 13:25, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora, I have written the biography for this recently deceased notable person but I used the wrong info box. I can't put in the death info. I would be very grateful if you could correct for me. Thanks very muchEmendment (talk)~~

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		Nice split off of the NZ honours list, and addition of portraits to bios!. Kiwipat (talk) 01:04, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please take a look at (and add to?) List of electoral firsts in New Zealand, partly based on List of electoral firsts in the United Kingdom but with wider coverage of MPs and ministers generally. Hugo999 (talk) 04:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

perverse, or lack of english or neither ?? re the IP and weirdness in categories JarrahTree 11:05, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora,
Is there some way to automate that, or did you create it from scratch? It must have been one heck of a task. I'm thinking of making on for the Australian team at 2018, and I'd appreciate you help. Back in a while - working on hitting 900 kms for April 2018.
Thanks! Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 02:59, 22 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a few of those templates (for the Olympics) and I've always done them from scratch. Well, once you've done one, you've got a template (as far as the sports are concerned) for the next one. Schwede66 09:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, what Schwede66 said. No shortcut sorry. Fortunately, the NZ teams are smaller than Australia's! Paora (talk) 11:54, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Paora, there were two men of this name, I can remember meeting both in the 1950s. You've mixed up the Wellington solicitor with the Wairarapa sheep breeder. Don't know why the Wellington man got his knighthood, the rest of the article looks to me to be about the sheep breeder (1863-1956) who got his knighthood in the New Year's honours in 1933.^[1] Are you able to sort the two men out? I suppose the solicitor ranks as notable by being given the 1946 knighthood? regards, Eddaido (talk) 08:42, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the marriage of the solicitor's parents^[2] and the notice of his birth^[3] in Goldsborough on the West Coast (I think). He seems to have been his mother's only child (of that marriage). Don't know which source has the right date of birth. The sheep breeder is likely to have been born in the Wairarapa. Eddaido (talk) 09:23, 7 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for all the nice work on the late runner's article. Activist (talk) 09:20, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there Paora, I was reviewing the new articles on project rugby union and saw your article on Ernest Booth. Please be aware this person already has a wikipedia article under the title Ernie Booth. The older article only has one reference so yours is much better but obviously these need merging and a re-direct on one of the titles. Thanks Skeene88 (talk) 20:22, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Skeene88: Thanks for that. The older article under Ernie Booth hadn't been linked from the List of New Zealand national rugby union players, so I missed it when creating Ernest Booth. I see that the two have now been merged, and I have also updated the list page to link directly to Ernie Booth. I'll investigate more fully before creating further new pages for All Blacks in case of similar issues. Paora (talk) 00:38, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, While I have concerns about this as a category, I think it would make a good list article and I don't want you to lose any work so here are the current contents:

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Hello, While I have concerns about this as a category, I think it would make a good list article and I don't want you to lose any work so here are the current contents:

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I was taught a parenthesis is a comma with added purpose. Bertie Germ was heavily promoted to children by propaganda from the 1930s on in posters on school walls etc. Bertie Germ unless washed off with soap and water did terrible things to any child and to children's unbrushed teeth. Cooksley was Bert anyway but the anti-social link needed to be avoided too. Regards, Eddaido (talk) 23:50, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido: see MOS:Comma. Paora (talk) 00:20, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Paora: tsk! what do They know. Eddaido (talk) 00:23, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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	Thanks for your work on June Sutor. Nice additions. If you find a picture of her in NZ then it only has to be 50 years old (you may know this!!). Victuallers (talk) 07:30, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"the closure summary does NOT refer to the original size on the page; as 85% was the size at the time of the RFC, 85% is the status quo, and should not be changed without consensus on talk page." What utter drivel. The status quo referred to is the status quo before the RfC: i.e. that the template size remains at 85% but that the original size of the postnoms should not be changed if that was 100%. It is certainly not a charter for fans of the small size to point to the mass addition of the template and say "look, it's 85% now so it should remain at 85% even though the original writer wrote it at 100%"! How on earth would you think this was the case? Never do we mandate stylistic changes to a perfectly acceptable style (as 100% postnoms have been found to be) at the whim of another editor who prefers it, which is what you are advocating. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:31, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Necrothesp: You ask, "How on earth would you think this was the case?" My response is that I carefully read the RFC closure summary, and reviewed the edit history showing that at the time of the RFC and for at least three years prior that the smaller size was used in the article, which led me to the conclusion that the smaller size should be changed only with consensus on the article's talk page, which was neither sought nor achieved. To suggest that I was advocating anything in my edit summary, or that I was acting on a whim, are both incorrect; I was merely following my considered understanding of the recommendation of the RFC closure summary. Paora (talk) 10:15, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say you were acting on a whim. I said that your reading of the RfC conclusion is endorsing changes to perfectly good style on an editor's whim, which cannot be the case as this is not how Wikipedia works. We only change style if it is incorrect, not just because we prefer another. The RfC is essentially saying that the first style used should be continued, as 100% is a perfectly acceptable style. Otherwise it would be endorsing the mass imposition of a different style as happened when a few editors added the postnom template to every article in sight. The criteria of WP:RETAIN should equally apply here. If it ain't incorrect it shouldn't be changed. And that's what editors essentially did by adding the postnom template. I have nothing against the template in principle, but not when it's being used to change one style to another. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:21, 6 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In case you've missed it, Henwood has died but I don't have a confirmed date of death. Akld guy (talk) 00:21, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

hi..we have article about the events in future like olympic 2028 or many events like that..the qualification round passed and these sport's man (women) got the olympic enterance...it's not soon..less than 1 year,it begins...--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 11:17, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Mojtaba2361: I have reverted your edits, which were the adding of pages to the category Category:Shooters at the 2020 Summer Olympics, because it is erroneous to populate that category until the actual event takes place. Until then, it is mere speculation as to who may or may not take part. Paora (talk) 11:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

cheers!

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I nominated an article of yours for DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Betty Flint. SL93 (talk) 20:22, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello Paora. With regards to post-nominals and your removal of the MBE from John Keith McCarthy's article, is there some kind of hierarchy where if a person has a higher-ranked honour, you don't list their other ones? Can you point me to where the hierarchy is, because I've probably made the same error on other articles. Cheers, Number 57 11:00, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57: When an individual is promoted to a higher level of the same Order, as in the case of John Keith McCarthy from Member of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) to Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE), then only the post-nominal for the higher level is included. When the appointments are to different Orders, then both are listed, see for example Robert Falla. Paora (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks – I assume a KBE outranks a CBE? Cheers, Number 57 21:46, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Number 57: Yes, GBE > KBE / DBE > CBE > OBE > MBE. See Order of the British Empire. Paora (talk) 21:55, 13 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for finishing the work on making the disambiguation page Patrick O'Regan. I got interrupted at home, and by the time I got back to it, you had finished it off. Cheers. --Scott Davis ^Talk 04:07, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paora. Regarding Reg Douglas, I do not think it is safe to say that Douglas is living just because he does not appear in the New Zealand Death Index. While it makes it more likely, as you note yourself, he could have moved elsewhere and died there. He could have also had a legal name change or just had some other reason why he does not appear (a small percentage of individuals who are known to be deceased on particular dates are missing from the US Social Security Death Index and the French Death Index, so it could happen in NZ too). Another thing to consider is that the New Zealand Olympians Club could not locate him in 2012. None of this means he is deceased for certain, of course, but he is over 90 with no evidence of being alive in many years, so he seems to fit Category:Possibly living people perfectly. Thoughts? Canadian Paul 01:31, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Canadian Paul: It is obviously much easier to prove that something has happened, rather to to prove that it hasn't happened. However, it is clear that Douglas was still living (and most likely in New Zealand) in late 2009, when he was interviewed for an obituary for Bob Parker, his partner at the 1956 Olympics and the 1954 and 1958 British Empire Games. Interestingly, both Parker and Douglas are mentioned in the 2012 article about the search for "lost" Olympic rowers by the New Zealand Olympians Club to which you refer, so not sure how exhaustive their search was given that they weren't aware of Parker's death reported in the New Zealand Herald, the country's largest circulation newspaper, three years earlier. Given that Douglas won three Commonwealth Games medals, including two gold, for New Zealand, I'd expect some sort of obituary or other mention in the media if he had died between 2009 and now. Paora (talk) 02:22, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are probably correct. Sadly, however, Olympic medalists die without receiving any coverage, let alone full obituaries, more often than you would think. So we cannot assume that just absence of evidence is evidence of absence when it comes to them being deceased - that's why we have the possibly living people category in the first place. With that said, a mention in 2009 is probably good enough to qualify for the living people category, so I suppose that it is all academic. Thanks for finding that. Canadian Paul 02:32, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please read edit comments and respond promptly to items on talk pages and do not edit war. Eddaido (talk) 04:11, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Eddaido: Genuinely perplexed by your message above. You reverted three times in less than one hour (i.e. started an edit war), and I explicitly stated that I would not revert again and hence not be dragged into an edit war, before you posted the above message telling me not to edit war. At no stage have I edit warred. Paora (talk) 04:22, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

What you have done is ignored requests to discuss the matter on the talk page, I'm not clear why. The matter is not yet dealt with, there are links to be fixed as well. Please would you respond to my question on that talk page. 'Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia'. Eddaido (talk) 04:26, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Paora. I was going to send you a note about an hour ago, to discuss moving his article back, in contrast to your "move" in September 2018. As usual, got caught up in other things, but it is on my notepad of things to do. Your revert on 2007 Birthday Honours (New Zealand) a few minutes ago just moved it up.

Everything that supports the Ross Ferguson page - references, bibliography, news paper clippings, official government announcements, his official abbreviation for Botany citations - shows him as Allan Ross Ferguson or A. R. Ferguson or Allan R. Ferguson. I appreciate that folks who know him personally may well call him Ross all the time, but to the majority of the billions in the world (well, the millions who read Wiki) (well, at least the thousands that read his Wiki article), he appears as one of these variations of Allan Ross Ferguson.

This is in keeping with the direction of WP:COMMONNAME, which gives "J. K. Rowling (not: Joanne Rowling)" as a specific example of "commonly used names in support of recognizability" - her friends may all call her Joanne, but J. K. is the common name for the wider world. Your thoughts? Jmg38 (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

On the contrary, sources commonly refer to him as Ross Ferguson. Here are just a few to be going on with: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8]. Paora (talk) 22:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info - I appreciate the followup. Ross it is. Jmg38 (talk) 18:07, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Postcard from the West Coast Sunday 6 September: Blackball

Welcome to the West Coast Wikipedian at Large project! This is your first weekly postcard with updates on what's been happening and ideas for things to do. • Yesterday I drove from Nelson to Blackball down the Inangahua River valley, taking plenty of photos (see my uploads), through Lyell, New Creek, Inangahua Junction (sic), Oweka, Rotokahu, Larrys Creek, Cronadun, Waitahu, and Reefton to visit the museum in Blacks Point, then on to Formerly the Blackball Hilton. Lots of these places need an article, improvements, or photos. • Inangahua is actually three localities: Inangahua Landing, Inangahua Junction (munted by the 1968 earthquake), and Inanguahua proper where most people live – the article's a bit confused. • This week I'll be in Greymouth giving a talk to heritage folks and another to tourism operators, and running an edit-a-thon on Saturday. It would be great for people to take a look at the Grey District library system who'll be hosting the edit-a-thon and see what Wikidata coverage is like. Libraries and museums are on the Art page of the project. • I had a really good Afghan in Reefton (right) and realised the article is terrible. Research needed! And more photos, if anyone wants an excuse to bake. • Housekeeping: please do note your contributions on the daily Progress Report: prizes for quality, quantity, and anything else I like. User:Schwede66 has been powering ahead. There's room to add a little more to the To Do list, but I want every red link blue by the end of October – plenty to do already! Thank you all. • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds

		The New Zealand Barnstar of National Merit
		It's been a huge project but it's been done. This was the big edit; the last of the New Zealand honours lists has been split off from the main list. And it wasn't just a straight process of splitting the pages, but you tidied up all the bios that linked to each page. That is a jolly good effort worthy of being mentioned on one of the honours lists yourself. Well done!
		this WikiAward was given to Paora by Schwede66 on 09:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Postcard from the West Coast Sunday 14 September: Greymouth

Hello all from Greymouth! There are now a dozen of you from Australia and New Zealand signed up to help, which is wonderful. • The last week has seem some great work, especially from Schwede66, MurielMary, and DrThneed, busily creating categories, stubs, and some really nice articles like Hokitika Clock Tower • This last week I'll been in Greymouth, and gave a talk to the library staff, spoke to half a dozen tourism operators, and had a great edit-a-thon on Saturday, where the partcipants were so keen they organised another one in two weeks! • Check out Axel's reorganisation of the Greymouth category and see if there are photos that need articles. • The Greymouth article needs work, a gallery of historic buildings, and more references from news media and books. • Plenty of old buildings in the list to work on • Siobhan wants Wikidata for all NZ reserves, and I would like all tracks and walkways in Wikidata too, like the Rapahoe Range Scenic Reserve and Elizabeth Point Walkway – I took a bunch of photos there yesterday • Some of our new articles have been flagged (wrongly) because there weren't enough references yet; not to worry, but help if you can. I'm digging through local archives here for good sources. Here's a Google drive of local news stories by the way. • There'll be lots more photos going up in the next week so watch this space. In the meantime keep an eye on my uploads, photos from History House Museum, and more from the Grey District Library to see of there's something you can use. • Housekeeping: please do remember to jot down your contributions on the daily Progress Report, just so others can see and help out. Thank you all for you hard work! • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds

Postcard from the West Coast Sunday 20 September: Westport

Hi from Westport! The ridiculously nice weather has largely continued. According to Wikipedia the Holcim cement works is here, but I'm pretty sure it closed in 2016. Work needed on that article! • One result of appearing on Seven Sharp is that Tourism New Zealand and the Glacier tourism folks are now interested in chatting. Watch this space, I may be headed south soon. • MurielMary and DrThneed have been helping with the West Coast artists list, many thanks – I may have more print sources for bios. The Yvonne Rust book is good. • There's been some great teamwork this past week, with Canley and Schwede66 sorting out all the West Coast heritage buildings in Wikidata without photos, and me running round Westport with my camera taking pics of them. • About half the Stewart Nimmo photos are uploaded, and keep an eye on my uploads for more. Look for inventive uses: I added one to the selfie article. • I'll be working on Denniston Plateau, the Westport News, Becky Manawatu, EPIC Westport, the Kawatiri Coastal Trail, Granity, and Barrytown; all help appreciated. • This week I have a few more days at Westport and will do a day trip to Granity, then down to Hokitika on Friday for 10 days to work with the Museum and heritage groups. So do tackle Westport content this week; I can ask the Westport News for clippings if you need more sources. • Housekeeping: add what you do to the daily Progress Report, so we can all see and help! • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds

Postcard from the West Coast Sunday 27 September: Hokitika

Greetings from sunny Hokitika! The fine weather I've had for the last few weeks finally broke and it's been driving hail and wind today. • Last week in Westport was fun, talking to many local historians and photographers, and the Westport News (rewritten article) • Saturday I ran a workshop in Hokitika, yesterday a second one in Greymouth. One newbie improved the Dave McKenzie (runner) article and squealed when her changes showed up instantly in Google. Another ran out to take photos of the Pioneers' Memorial (right), and Schwede66 created an article that very night • This week I'd love help with Hokitika-area articles: sculptures of Hokitika, buildings of Hokitika, Guy Menzies, Hokitika Guardian (am meeting them tomorrow to get better sources), whitebait (the NZ aspect), Kaniere, Lake Kaniere, pounamu, Lake Mahinapua, Hokitika Gorge, The Luminaries, and the Hokitika River. This is a list brainstormed with the locals at the workshop, heartily recommend doing this. • There are more photos by Stewart Nimmo of Lake Brunner and Reefton (including the artist Alison Hale (Q99304897), who's on our list. • It would be super helpful of somebody to look at the Hokitika area on WikiShootMe and check the locations of rivers, hills, etc against NZ Topo Map or the NZGB Gazetteer. • Dr Thneed wanted a photo through the altar window of St James Church, Franz Josef, and that same day Paora supplied one. Great teamwork, folks – it's been so nice to watch you collaborate. • Housekeeping: keep noting your contributions on the daily Progress Report. Thank you all for your hard work. • Stay warm and dry! — Giantflightlessbirds

Postcard from the West Coast Sunday 4 October: Hokitika

Kia ora from Hokitika! Tomorrow I pack up the car and head to Greymouth to present to Development West Coast our previous month's work, before heading south • Yes, Glacier Country are supplying accommodation in south Westland – Ōkārito, Franz Josef, and Fox – for the next two weeks. Possibly because I mouthed off to the media that Fox Glacier's entry is so short who would want to stay there? • So this week it's Ōkārito (splitting the article into settlement and lagoon), kōtuku, spoonbills, the West Coast Wildlife Centre (Q99767675), rowi, Franz Josef glacier (and NZ glacier photos in general glacier articles), historic buildings thereabouts, etc • I uploaded lots of Stewart Nimmo photos of the Haast area, and have some Paparoa ones by Jase Blair coming soon. • Pakoire noticed that Fayne Robinson (Q99836010) needs an article – can we collaborate on one? He's def notable and we need more coverage of Māori from the Coast. • Also women: see the Westland women in the WikiProject Hokitika Museum Google doc and Hokitika Museum Google drive. • Last week I wrote or improved articles about Hokitika Museum, Lake Kaniere, History House Museum, Lake Mahinapua, and Westland District Library. Error check, cleanup etc welcome. It's great to be able to work from folders and scrapbooks stuffed full of newspaper clippings! • Housekeeping: Thank you all for collaborating and filling in gaps, especially with historic buildings. Paora has been doing some great work. Please keep letting me know of any photos you need taking on the spot. • Take care — Giantflightlessbirds

Postcard from the West Coast Sunday 11 October: Franz Josef

Gidday from Franz Josef/Waiau! Deserted tourist town, everything's a bit pricey, but there are kea circling over the main street which makes up for a lot • I just spent three days in Ōkārito, wrote articles about pakihi and Ōkārito lagoon, and took/was given a lot of photos of Kōtuku and hiking trails. A dearth of printed sources on Ōkārito but there are enough photos and info to make at least sections/galleries for buildings like Donovan's Store (Q79300924), Ōkārito School (Q79303038), and Ōkārito Obelisk (Q79309599) on its article • There are too many photos of Franz Josef glacier! It would be great to make a curated gallery of the most useful ones on its Commons page. Also finding and uploading good photos from DigitalNZ and the Macmillan Brown A. C. Graham Collection would help heaps • Local heritage sites that need articles: the Hendes Gallery, Defiance Hut, Chancellor Hut • I'll be spending Tuesday in the West Coast Wildlife Centre, looking at baby kiwi and improving Haast Tokoeka and Rowi articles • Great to see a new Fayne Robinson article from Pakoire, and Maida Bryant from MurielMary; Paora's been beavering away on lists of mayors • Housekeeping: do reach out to any of the team for a hand if some random editor knocks you back or makes trouble. Don't let them rattle you! We're here to help each other. • Take care and be kind — Giantflightlessbirds

See Template:Infobox officeholder#Usage Snickers2686 (talk) 16:38, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Snickers2686: Thanks for that. That is more useful that the WP:MOS in your edit summaries, which makes no mention of the the use or otherwise of ordinals for officeholders. In the case of Jacinda Ardern, which is the edit of yours I reverted, there are plenty of examples of her being referred to as the 40th prime minister of New Zealand in reliable sources: here are a few to be going on with – [9], [10], [11], [12], [13]. Paora (talk) 21:13, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Paora: Well considering it's been referenced that way in the template, that's what I was going off of. Snickers2686 (talk) 05:15, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Final Postcard from the West Coast Friday 23 October:Reefton

Kia ora koutou from Reefton! • We're in the last few days of the project, so time to wrap up loose ends. • Most of the last week I was based in in Fox Glacier, organising photo uploads from Fox Glacier Guiding of the glacier itself and Chancellor Hut, check them out • I've also photographed hiking trails and worked on articles about the West Coast Wildlife Centre, Lake Gault and Lake Matheson • Here in Reefton I'm improving the article about the town, have found info on the Inangahua County Library for DrThneed, and am writing about the Reefton Distillery • There are photos of all of Reeftons's historic buildings (and I've added a few), but no articles about the Reefton Courthouse or the Reefton School of Mines, and the Reefton Power Station article could do with work • Since I last wrote DrThneed has been hard at work on libraries, there's a nice Donovan's Store article from Gertrude206, much-needed improvements to pounamu by Pakoire, and Paora's been super-industrious with historic buildings but most importantly managed to produce a photo of the giant sandfly of Pukekura • Housekeeping: I'm sending out prizes kindly donated by Development West Coast and Friends of Waiuta to those of you who've worked hardest on the project, so if I ask for a postal address that's why. But even if you just signed up to get these postcards, that's fine too! • Thank you all for making a wonderful project work; I've never coordinated a team effort like this, and I think it's potentially a model for other edit-a-thons. Its been great fun. And I hope this has inspired you to keep chipping away, improving the coverage of New Zealand's beautiful West Coast. Ka kite ano, — Giantflightlessbirds

Thanks for your help with Ani Hona's article - especially with word accents. It's appreciated and I'll be able to refer to the page next time I work on a Māori topic! Lajmmoore (talk) 14:04, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

	The West Coast Stamp of Approval
	You put a huge amount of work into this project, and I know you efforts were appreciated by other editors too. Thanks so much for helping make it a success. —Giantflightlessbirds (talk) 09:53, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kia ora, as an editor in New Zealand I wanted to let you know about a survey gathering information for planning a Wikimedia conference in early 2021. Here's the link - it's open til 18 November. Feel free to share it with other editors you know too. Cheers! https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/K37CY2B MurielMary (talk) 10:03, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is a placefor the biographies of `n people, focused on their accomplishments, not their hobbies. Iknow you're not a promotional editor, so please do not write like one. DGG ( talk ) 21:54, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Paora, any idea what DGG means by that? Schwede66 23:08, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

DGG is referring to content on Laurie Stevens (industrialist), not Laurie Stevens. The material that I included that is apparently at issue, is the following paragraph, which DGG has twice removed from the article, calling it "irrelevant minor material":

While a student, Stevens represented Auckland University at tennis, and he later served as president of the Auckland Lawn Tennis Association between 1983 and 1984. He also served as chair of the Auckland Agricultural, Pastoral and Industrial Shows Board, and was a member of the Melanesian Mission Trust Board.[14]

I obviously disagree with DGG's assessment of the material as irrelevant and minor. I certainly see nothing there that could remotely be described as "promotional". Thoughts? Paora (talk) 23:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah. I've just come across that page through NPP. Being president and chair of organisations is obviously not trivial. Schwede66 00:37, 9 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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