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The article On Guard for Peace you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:On Guard for Peace for comments about the article, and Talk:On Guard for Peace/GA1 for the nomination. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 12:02, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, CurryTime7-24. Are you able to assist me on the article Draft:Rhyuhn Green ? There are substantial sources of him on the web, but I am struggling to get the article through review. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Composer232 (talk • contribs) 01:49, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, CurryTime7-24. Thank you for your work on The Song of the Flea. User:AngusWOOF, while examining this page as a part of our page curation process, had the following comments:

might be okay since some of the media videos add "The"

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|AngusWOOF}}. Please remember to sign your reply with ~~~~. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:04, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there another song of the flea? Can it be renamed to just that without the disambiguation? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:15, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AngusWOOF: No, there are at least two other notable settings of that Goethe text by Ludwig van Beethoven and Charles Gounod. All these settings are unrelated to each other, despite using the same text. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:21, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, can you rename the article to Song of the Flea then as primary topic? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:24, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How about a disambiguation page? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which one's the primary topic? AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 15:57, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Let me try and fix this now. Hold on... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@AngusWOOF: The original Russian does not begin with an article. The article "the" is also not included in numerous authoritative sources (e.g. Stephen Walsh's Mussorgsky and His Circle: A Russian Musical Adventure, the Boosey & Hawkes work list[1] for Dmitri Shostakovich (who made an orchestration of the song), etc). —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:19, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If Shostakovich's is an adaptation, then it can be added as a section as with other song articles. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 00:25, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It's not an adaptation, it's an orchestration. Think of it as a colorization of a black-and-white image. It doesn't change anything otherwise; it's still the same song. And I suppose it could be added, but his is one of many orchestrations made of that song (off the top of my head Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, Alexander Glazunov, Igor Stravinsky, and Maurice Ravel also orchestrated it). If another editor wants to add those with citations, they should. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:30, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Four Verses of Captain Lebyadkin is an excellent article thank you. Mccapra (talk) 08:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much. :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 15:20, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear CurryTime7-24, I would argue against merging this article with the article concerning Territorial disputes in the South China Sea, as it covers a wide range of other aspects regarding the disputes in the South China Sea, which would make this particular contribution too unsuitable. Thus, it will be difficult to content-wise properly allocate these contributions to fit well with the rest of the content there. Therefore, a new article solely focusing on the regional reactions towards China would therefore be more suitable to create for the sake of coherency. Furthermore even if the complaints, concerns and reactions by the various nation-states mentioned in this article are similar (at least to you), it is relevant to highlight how each of the nation-states chose to react to China's maritime activities in the South China Sea, as all nation-states deserve some kind of agency regarding this matter. All the nation-states mentioned in this article possess various political interests in dealing with China's within the South China Sea and this comes into play regarding how they choose to respond to China's maritime activities there. - (Kiiivoon (talk) 11:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC))[reply]

Understood. It was because of the points that you bring up that my inclination was to accept the draft. However, the possibility of a merge persuaded me to leave a comment instead. An eventual reviewer may disagree with it. If one does not come forward in the next few weeks, please let me know and I will take another look. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 15:38, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• JDKJDKJDK (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Joshua Knowles (computer scientist) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for reviewing my draft article. This is an article about a living academic (me). I am aware that wikipedia discourages autobiographies. However, the main criticism that you have levelled at the draft article this time is a more general one about sources and neutrality. I have followed the form of other pages on wikipedia of people who are arguably of similar notability to me (and in roughly the same field).

For example: Ruth Misener https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Misener

For example: Kaisa Miettinen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaisa_Miettinen

For example: Roman Slowinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_S%C5%82owi%C5%84ski

I believe that my draft article follows a similar pattern to those, has similar referencing to similar sources, and that with an h-index of 64, and several papers with thousands of citations I would gently suggest I am of a similar level concerning "notable" status (albeit I fully expect this to be "Minor" at best) within academic circles.

Having looked at quite a few articles about living computer science academics, I have noticed that David Eppstein is often an editor / advisor. Would you be open to asking him to give an opinion on whether my article can be cleaned up to reach the standard of the three examples I have given above please?

Or perhaps you could suggest some other way forward? For example, if it is just one or two sentences that are "not neutral" or "advertising" then I should be able edit those and resubmit, no?

If not, of course I will wait to receive more prizes and fellowships for my work before trying again.

Thank you very much.

JDKJDKJDK (talk) 10:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I get where you're coming from, but please understand that I had no say in how the aforementioned articles made it to mainspace. It is possible that those articles may not have gone through the AfC process. It is also possible that those articles may be seriously deficient and could potentially be deleted in an AfD nomination. I don't know.

According to my understanding and interpretations of WP:NACADEMIC, the draft subject did not meet the threshold of notability. There were also a number of other problems with the draft. For example, the draft is categorized under "1972 births", but neither a mention of a birth year nor a citation from a reliable source confirming it are found in the body of the draft. Some other biographical details are mentioned in the draft, but cited sources are not presented to confirm them.

My choice to "decline" isn't final insofar as it terminates the possibility of this draft making it to mainspace. It is possible that the draft can be accepted, whether by me or another reviewer, provided that improvements are made in response to the concerns in the review. I strongly encourage you to seek advice on how to improve your draft at the Teahouse. My availability is sporadic, but if you have any further questions, please do feel free to contact me here. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your response.

Thanks for the link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NACADEMIC

I think that page makes it clear that the draft subject does meet the criteria for academic notability (and that has been independently verified for me). For example, an h-index of 64 and 26,000 citations (reliably and independently evidenced by google scholar page) easily passes the criterion number 1 for having had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline. Several other pieces of evidence were included, for instance the subject appearing in the top 20,000 of Elsevier's ranking by citations of ALL scientists (all disciplines) worldwide since 1788. There are 8.8 million scientists in the world today, so this would be in the top 0.24%.

Perhaps, given this, I should just try to make the presentation more neutral and re-submit for comment/re-evaluation. I am quite happy to ask at the tearoom too.

Best regards

Joshua JDKJDKJDK (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Newlywo (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Zvi Landsman (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello, I dont understand why again my draft was declined.. there are reliable sources and many of them. I will now address some of them since the guidelines require 2-3 in hopes this is will resolve this, here goes:

1. ishim is a huge site in Israel that states movies and people in Israel.
2. taasiya is a big site as well and deals with people, movies and digital. you cant pay to be in there.
3. jer-cin = The Jerusalem Cinematheque was established in 1974. At its heart lies the Israel Film Archive, which works to collect, preserve, and showcase local cinematic creations from the beginning of Israeli cinema till contemporary works. The Cinematheque screens new Israeli films, classics, unknown works, and is a unique stage for these films and filmmakers.
4. tlvfest is the biggest in Israel in it's filed.
5. haaretz is an independent daily newspaper with a broadly liberal outlook both on domestic issues and on international affairs. It has a journalistic staff of some 330 reporters, writers and editors. The paper is perhaps best known for its Op-ed page, where its senior columnists - among them some of Israel's leading commentators and analysts - reflect on current events. Haaretz plays an important role in the shaping of public opinion and is read with care in government and decision-making circles.
6. docaviv is the Tel Aviv International Documentary Film Festival is the largest film festival in the city of Tel Aviv, and the only festival in Israel dedicated exclusively to documentary films.
7. Kan is the Israel Broadcasting Corporation.

All shows and talks about Zvi and his films. Zvi also won a few awards as you can see in the article itself. I do not understand why this director isnt worthy of a wiki page while he has an Hebrew page and he is award winning director, is it because he is Israely and not american? Thank you. Newlywo (talk) 06:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Newlywo (talk) 06:25, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I urge you to please go back and read the reviewer comments again. Nationality of a subject has nothing to do with its eligibility for Wikipedia. What does determine eligibility is significant and sustained coverage, not passing mentions, of the subject from reliable sources. Please read WP:GNG for more details. — CurryTime7-24 (talk) 19:09, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello @CurryTime7-24, I read it and this is why I detailed a few wesites... maybe you can revisit this?

I still cannot understand why an awawrd winning director isnt eligible and the sources for that are in the page already. Newlywo (talk) 10:58, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24 Please let me know the status.. I would like to resolve this asap. thank you. Newlywo (talk) 10:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My friend, please understand that I am not some bot who reviews and accepts articles upon your command "ASAP". I have a busy life outside of Wikipedia, especially this week. Furthermore, I stated and explained my reasons for rejection. You are welcome to disagree with them and improve your draft accordingly, but I am not obliged to accept anything just because you feel I should. Four other editors rejected your draft based on similar reasons to mine; feel free to ask any of them to re-review your draft. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 15:44, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@CurryTime7-24 No no no you misunderstood me. I just wrote I want to resolve this ASAP, not that you should nor was it a command! I hope this is understood. I will continue with it and not bother you again. Newlywo (talk) 11:39, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, did you decline a wrong draft? Draft:The Laotian Times is not a biography. Aithus (talk) 22:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, I declined the correct one, but accidentally used the wrong template. My decision to decline was based on WP:ORGCRIT and WP:WEBCRIT. Let me fix the template in a moment. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 23:56, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that Shostakovich's "Intervision", a work of six bars, performed in less than 25 seconds, qualifies as a major work; Wikipedia should not use italics for its title. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:22, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. I wasn't totally familiar with the Wikipedia conventions on this. Typically I've used the D. Kern Holoman writing guide, which differs a bit. And I also based the italicization of the title based on the books by Laurel Fay and Sofia Khentova. But please go ahead and revert. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 04:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I have included several references from major, independent media outlets providing in-depth coverage, not "passing references" about this magazine. KPFA is the largest public radio station in the San Francisco Bay Area. Monocle magazine is an international magazine based in London, England that is one of the most influential publications worldwide. Their podcast is one of, if not the most important, program about print magazines in the world. Other references refer to important elements related to the magazine, like the founder, or their international photo contest, or notable people they have featured in their publication, that provide relevant, background information about key aspects of the magazine coming from a veteran travel guidebook author for Lonely Planet and Moon, and the largest newspaper in Chile, among others. I'd appreciate your reconsideration of these sources and would very much like to speak with you to explain in more detail the reasons, if necessary. Brianjones46 (talk) 16:14, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very familiar with Pacifica Radio and the Monocle. Unfortunately, I'm not a podcast person; never have listened to them, so I have no idea how notable the latter's is. Had you cited other reliable sources, I would've AGF on the podcasts. However, your other citations are no good. One is from a blog, another is a passing mention in El Mercurio (the article is not about Patagonia Journal, but a photography contest it held), and an irrelevant citation to The Guardian.

Your draft as it currently stands is unacceptable for inclusion in mainspace. I strongly encourage you to seek help on how to improve your draft at The Teahouse. I also urge you to carefully read over the useful advice included in my decline template. If there is significant coverage of the Patagonia Journal from reliable sources in Spanish, say from the likes of La Tercera or Clarín, do include those too. Citations from other languages are more than OK on the English Wikipedia (and, if it helps in this case, Spanish is my native language anyway). You're also more than welcome to resubmit your draft and try another reviewer. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:05, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, thanks for your reply. I'm a professional writer, and I studied closely how other such listings have been done in Wikipedia for magazines. Nearly all of them include info about what they do, giving references that provide further background from reliable sources about the things they do or write. In this case, as the photo contest is an important part of Patagon Journal I included a reference about the photo contest in a clearly reliable source (El Mercurio). Again, the photo contest is founded and organized by Patagon Journal so it seems relevant to me that there should be references for that, which, as a project of the magazine, is relevant to the listing...That seems to be what other listings do too when they provide references about aspects of a magazine or other organization's work. So, its not there to be a passing reference, but for their photo contest.

The Guardian article is also not there to provide a passing reference about Patagon Journal, but the reference is listed after the name "Douglas Tompkins," providing background on that person who has been featured in the magazine.

In any case, I will look into Teahouse and eventually resubmit. Brianjones46 (talk) 23:35, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've now added two secondary sources directly mentioning the subject. Can this be reviewed? @CurryTime7-24 Duplicity5510 (talk) 21:40, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

-- RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I noted you declined the page Jack Mason recently, looks like the same user has recreated the page. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Mason Shakemyhead (talk) 07:55, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 22 June 2023 (UTC) [reply]

June songs

my story today

Thank you for this, and encouraging, - and imagining you adding to Stravinsky makes me happy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Again, I think the Stravinsky FAN process could've been handled better; the outcome was unexpected and disappointing.

I'm currently gathering the needed material in order to give it a go soon. Stravinsky is one of my great loves, particularly his late music, but I tended to shy away from his articles as Jerome Kohl took good care of his articles. (His very last edit was in response to one of mine; not sure how to feel about that...) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:31, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that. I treat the Stockhausen articles with care in respect for him. - Today: a woman caught by the iron curtain (improved with SusunW and GRuban), yesterday: the Mass in B minor, heard in concert then, three musical videos are out, and vacation pics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:48, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review of this draft. However, I am a bit confused about your comments of uncited claims & 'PR' or advertorial narrative. I am no stranger to getting pages approved, and using the instructions on writing found on Wiki, as well as using similar approved pages of her colleagues, the narrative's tone seems correct. Everything is cited, and I can not find any promotional or flowery language. Clarification would be appreciated because I am kind of stuck. Geraldine Aino (talk) 11:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for contacting me! Some of the uncited claims I spotted were her birthday and where she went to high school. None of these were cited anywhere, including in the only citation in the "Early life and education" section. As for the PR language, I had in mind the passages, "This is bolstered by America's Test Kitchen, a show that is well known for conducting analysis of recipes to determine the best technique to reach the final dish perfectly" and "Her commitment bringing people together and making a positive impact on society has earned her respect within the culinary world". "Well known" isn't explained or cited, "perfectly" is very subjective; the last passage is simply too promotional. The term "underserved" also needs to be changed per MOS:EUPHEMISM.

Bridget Lancaster is definitely a notable subject, so no issues there. But as WP:BLP the draft needs more and accurate citations, as well as adhere to WP:NPOV. Please don't hesitate to contact me again if you need further clarification and advice. If you haven't yet, do also consider seeking advice from WP:TEAHOUSE. CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK those are fair... To be honest, I've never had to cite a birthday or high school. However, I'm always learning!. Appreciate your help and I will rewrite the sections, so hopefully get this through. Thank you for the help! Geraldine Aino (talk) 12:55, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Curry Time7-24! Saw your changes. Had a quick question. Actually, two quick questions. There definitely seems to be some discrepancy between the website and the print versions. The masthead in the print edition says "Portland Magazine, aka Portland Monthly Magazine". The covers also seem to alternate the top logo between Portland Monthly and Portland Magazine. Do you have any recommendations for citations, in this case, given that you're more experienced? Since you said it made sense to disambiguate the Oregon based Portland Monthly and the separate Maine-based Portland Monthly, should the Oregon version also be changed to Portland Monthly (Oregon)? Looking forward to your thoughts.Ravenandlotus (talk) 21:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ah... I see that the website, e-mail domain names, and magazine cover all refer to the "Portland Monthly", but the parent company is called "Portland Magazine". Without being able to see a print version for myself, I can't say how its masthead differs from the online version, but I think it can be cited AGF with a page reference to verify the latter name.

As for whether the eponymous Oregonian periodical needs a disambiguator, that might be a question better answered by WP:TEAHOUSE. Whether one is more notable than the other might have something to do with it. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it seems a bit of a mess. It does look like the online copies and the print are consistent, so I suppose that's good. I'll add in that page reference. Thanks for your time! Ravenandlotus (talk) 12:11, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Ericm24 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Pepe Billete (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello,

Thank you for offering your help. In reference to your comments (which I appreciate) I do not understand how the citings do not correspond to the lines referenced in the article. All the sources are reputable and do more than casually mention the subject. The citations that do just mention the subject in passing, are not offered as the primary source of reference.

Secondly, I'm not sure how this article reads like a "PR" release. I felt I was quite neutral. Can you please offer some guidance? Again, I sincerely appreciate your help!

Thanks! =)

E24 03:15, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

• Please give me a few hours; I'll reply in detail later tonight (PDT). Busy day! Thank you for being patient. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 01:20, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Ericm24 Thanks again for your patience! The draft has a number of issues that need to be fixed before it can be accepted into mainspace:

  • It mostly relies on articles from the Miami New Times, which is unacceptable according to WP:COISOURCE since the subject is employed by the same outlet.
  • The draft doesn't make clear whether the subject is a real person or a puppet in the persona of a writer.
  • If the former, the biographical details need to be properly sourced and cited. (I could find no mention of his birthplace anywhere.) If the latter, this fictional background needs to be explained and, again, properly sourced and cited.
  • The citations to the New York Times and The Guardian would be solid, except that they only mention the subject of the draft in passing. Notability needs to be attested by articles where the draft subject is the main focus.
  • The book citations lack page numbers and do not adequately convey the context in which the draft subject is mentioned. Page numbers are crucial for reference.
  • A lot of the prose in the draft reads like promotional material. For example: "His wit, clever wordplay, and willingness to engage with controversial topics are notable characteristics of his comedy." This is a very subjective statement. If somebody or some media outlet said such a thing about the subject, that would be acceptable to include in the draft, so long as the statement is properly quoted and attributed (e.g. According to the Pelotillehue Press, "his wit, clever wordplay, and willingness to engage with controversial topics are notable characteristics of his comedy".^[1]).
  • Some passages appear to be WP:OR or WP:SYNTH (e.g. "suggesting a reach beyond the conventional entertainment industry"—what is the "conventional entertainment industry" and who is suggesting this?).

  Having poked online briefly to see if I could find any useful sources for this draft, my gut feeling is that the subject may be a case of WP:TOOSOON. I would encourage you to contact the other reviewers and see if they'd be willing to offer you more insight into their concerns and, possibly, a solution. — CurryTime7-24 (talk) 06:45, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CurryTime,

Thank you again for reviewing my article a few days ago. I've updated the draft to include more reputable secondary sources and removed the subject's own website based on your feedback.

I'm a little confused about next steps/review process in general. Are you the one who is supposed to review it, given that you conducted the initial review? Or will other reviewers get to reviewing the article? I haven't written/contributed to an article since the early 2010s so I'm not sure how protocols have evolved.

Cheers! Jlee25 (talk) 09:27, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey there! Once you re-submit, the draft can be reviewed by anybody with permission to do so. Since you mentioned it, let me go take a look! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:34, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jlee25 Good job on improving the draft! It's on its way, but there are still a few wrinkles that need ironing out. For example, the paragraph that begins "In their formative years..." lacks any citations attesting to the awarding of those prizes. Each one needs to be confirmed by a reputable source. If for whatever reason you can't find sources confirming some of those prizes, just stick to mentioning the ones that do have them. The Boston Globe citation is perfect: it is a reputable secondary source that attests to the intrinsic notability of the draft subject, while also being unconnected to it. Which is why the citations from Philadelphia Chamber Music Society and Opus 3 Artists are a problem, on account of WP:COISOURCE. If you could find one or two more citations of similar quality and reputability as the Boston Globe one, your draft would be ready for approval. Please let me know if you have any further questions! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:52, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out the COI sources - I have removed them. I've also added additional sources, including references to the Toronto Star and The Strad, and cited the prizes in the "in their formative years..." paragraph. Would you consider these sources to be considered for article creation purposes? Appreciate your help! Jlee25 (talk) 21:28, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Glad to read your good work with the article! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:43, 1 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I’m new. Notability for Artifice Girl is increasing by the day. Let me know how many web sources you need to approve publication. German article already live. -218.148.139.55 (talk) 07:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not concerned with notability; draft subject probably passes on that account. Rather, the main concern of my review was that the draft was written like a press release, which is unacceptable. Again, please see WP:NOTPROMO for more details. The IMDB citation is also unacceptable and needs to be replaced. If you need help on how to rewrite your draft in a neutral and encyclopedic tone, please don't hesitate to seek help at WP:TEAHOUSE. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I'm not associated with the film at all, not sure which parts sound like promotional materials. I've seen the film twice and tried to write a neutral, just facts article. I will go over it again, thanks. Roddyred505 (talk) 16:06, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Piano Sonata No. 2 (Shostakovich) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 11:02, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July songs

my story today

Nice to see you make Stravinsky's music flower! - Great music (in June, I'm behind: three great RMF concerts)! - Last Saturday, a friend played for us at her birthday party, on four instruments including baryton, with family (granddaughters!) and colleagues, from Renaissance to Haydn. - My story today is very personal: the DYK appeared on Wikipedia's 15th birthday, and describes a concert I sang. I was requested to translate the bio into German for a memorial concert ... - see background, and we talked about life and death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your kindness. It's all preparatory work for the coming new attempt to restore the Stravinsky article to FA status. Will be contacting MyCatIsAChonk in the next week or so in order to coordinate what needs to be tackled and how. Some more Stravinskyana is on the way this month and next.

What a lovely party! It is heartening to know that such beauty can still thrive in this world. Also, I enjoyed learning about Frank Stähle. :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:03, 12 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Today, I remember Reger's Requiem, and our choirs' jubilee 2 weeks ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 16 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

On today's Main page, you can find a cantata that Bach first performed 300 years ago, and an iconic saxophonist from East Germany. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:57, 18 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

While today's DYK highlights Santiago on his day, I did my modest share with my story today, describing what I just experienced, pictured. I began the article of the woman in green. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:25, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today Jahrhundertring, and I'm listening to Götterdämmerung from the Bayreuth Festival, close to the scene pictured, - the image (of a woman who can't believe what she has to see) features also on the article talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:11, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 12:03, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank for creating articles on Stravinsky's smaller works, they're definitely worthy of articles and I'm happy to see them featured on the main page! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 16:15, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!! I'm using them as preparatory work for our collaborative try at bringing Stravinsky's article to FA. There's one more article, a major one, coming this week, maybe as soon as Tuesday (PDT). After that, we should begin to hash out what we need to tackle for Igor Stravinsky!

Your work on that article was impressive and very instructive for me; I was hoping to do what you did there for Dmitri Shostakovich. Hopefully, if you like, we can also work on that article together later this year! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:39, 17 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article Piano Sonata No. 2 (Shostakovich) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Piano Sonata No. 2 (Shostakovich) and Talk:Piano Sonata No. 2 (Shostakovich)/GA1 for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 17:41, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, it looks like the issues raised in my review will not be addressed by the deadline set, and the GAN will be failed. You seem pretty busy out there in the real world—however, if you get time to sort out the article's remaining issues, I would renominate it. There's a backlog drive in August, and I'm your article will be picked up by someone, perhaps myself. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 07:45, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for reviewing my draft on June 27. I have made a significant revision and believe that I have addressed the tone issue you tagged. You also added a tag about the reliability of the sources used. I need some specific details about why you find the piece inadequately sourced. The sources include a book, a legal journal, a national newspaper plus two different local newspapers, and two national magazines. Most citations had live links. What are you perceiving as unreliable? Thanks. Engmaj (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the revision and getting back to me! Please give me a few hours to reply in full; currently puttering about. :) — CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:23, 20 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your patience. My concern with tone had to do with the wording and phrasing used in the article, which doesn't read like an objective and encyclopedic description, but is promotional in intent. You might not be aware of that and that's OK. Sometimes it's hard to notice these things up close, so it's good to have an extra pair of eyes to check these things.

Take the opening sentence: "The Madeleva Manifesto: A Message of Hope and Courage was a call, early in the new millennium, to transform the understanding of women's place in the Catholic Church." "Call" is vague; it confused me because I wasn't sure if the manifesto in question referred to an actual religio-political tract, treatise, pamphlet, etc. or was the name of a symposium or general movement within the Church. Then there's "transform the understanding of women's place in the Catholic Church"—what does that mean exactly? When is "early in the new millennium"? The draft lead needs to concisely explain the subject and summarize the corresponding draft body, such as with the article for Caritas in veritate. The first sentence concisely explains what kind of document it is, what it is about, who wrote it, and when it was published. The lead continues by summarizing the contents of the document dispassionately—just the facts.

Although your subsequent edits are steps in the right direction, the draft still needs to be rewritten. Submitted as it stands right now, I would decline; very likely other reviewers would do the same.

Please don't be discouraged. My availability is a bit spotty, but it you have further questions, I will try to reply post-haste. I strongly urge you to seek help at WP:TEAHOUSE and to carefully read over the reviews for your draft. Especially do try and click the links included therein, which contain a lot of helpful information. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the prompt reply. I will consider all that and consult the sources you provide. Meanwhile, aside from the tone issues you addressed, what's your concern about the sources? Much appreciated. Engmaj (talk) 15:59, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The notability of your draft subject needs to be confirmed by "significant coverage [that] addresses the topic directly and in detail" from reputable secondary sources. Your draft is currently missing these. The citation from the South Bend Tribune, for example, does not specifically refer to your draft subject, but a symposium about it. (Incidentally, it further confused me as to what your draft subject was about as it repeatedly mentioned "lectures" rather than a document.)

If you need further clarification, please keep in mind that I'll be unable to respond promptly until at least early next week. Again, please do feel free to seek help at WP:TEAHOUSE. I can personally attest to their speed in replying and general helpfulness. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:44, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for clarifying your concerns.Engmaj (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BorgQueen (talk) 00:03, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, CurryTime7-24, and thank you for all your interesting articles on classical music. I see that this year you have already created four biographies of women. If you intend to continue along these lines, you might be interested in becoming a member of WikiProject Women in Red where we are trying to chip away at the gender gap. You can sign up under "New registrations" on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/New members. In any case, I look forward to many more of your in-depth articles. Happy editing!--Ipigott (talk) 08:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have a few more articles projected for this year that would fall under WikiProject Women in Red, so I may as well make my participation official. Thank you for the encouragement! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 15:29, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear CurryTime7-24, +81 is established and well-known magazine about design in Japan, and featured article of 10 pages about overall career of Seitaro Yamazaki meets critelia of reliable sources. Please check the magazine' s website. https://www.plus81.com/magazine Thanks. Kamucham (talk) 11:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kamucham (talk) 11:50, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The citations from Plus81 were fine. As I said in my review comment, the subject probably is notable, but the problem is that the draft currently relies on press releases and primary sources. The latter can be used, but selectively; the former need to be discarded in favor of reliable secondary sources. Please read my review comment for more details. If you need help improving your draft, I strongly suggest that you visit WP:TEAHOUSE. I can personally attest to their prompt and reliable aid. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:22, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advise. I'll work on it ASAP. Best regards. Kamucham (talk) 00:34, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for your continued help on the Rachel Cline article. I finally found your user page (none of this is easy for a newcomer!) and am honored to have your attention at all. As for Rachel Cline, the author: I removed the film/TV stuff to avoid the IMDB problem--anyone interested in tracking it down can find it elsewhere. I added links demonstrating sustained interest in the author over time and also sourced the books summaries you mentioned needed more support. Would you consider removing the "not suitable for Wikipedia" box so as not to prejudice future reviewers? It seems you no longer have the concern that the topic is not sufficiently notable.

Your kind words are appreciated, but "honored" is too big a word; I'm just some dork on the internet. Let me take a look at your draft again some time Friday (tomorrow is a busy day). The review can't be removed; it's supposed to remain there as a record. You've made good progress on improving your draft, which is why I refrained from reviewing your draft a second time yesterday and left a comment indicating what needed to be polished instead. So please don't stress. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 05:57, 27 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not stressing. Still appreciating the help! RachelClineWriter (talk) 02:50, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CurryTime7-24, at the end of your review on the above page, you said you were failing the nomination. However, you didn't take the final steps to fail it (see WP:GAN/I#FAIL), in particular the {{FailedGA}} template replacing the {{GA nominee}} template. Please complete the process, or if you aren't able to, let me know and I'll do so for you. Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 20:13, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. I'm new to the GAN process. Please give me a few hours to fix this. Will be away from my desk most of today. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article Piano Sonata No. 2 (Shostakovich) you nominated as a good article has failed ; see Talk:Piano Sonata No. 2 (Shostakovich) for reasons why the nomination failed. If or when these points have been taken care of, you may apply for a new nomination of the article. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of Amitchell125 -- Amitchell125 (talk) 15:20, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, and thanks again for the award. I didn't have time to get back to you properly after the article for Kihō was created. Thanks again for the words of encouragement and for the help on validating sumo-related drafts (!), sometimes I despair a little about the speed of processing and am considering joining WP myself to help unclog requests. See you later maybe some other time ! - OtharLuin (talk) 09:28, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Short answer to your long edit summary (Why has it not been done yet?): That discussion is open on Classical music, - I think you even started it. I asked in 2018 (Sibelius) how many more rounds we'd need, and we just had Mozart and Tchaikovsky. The arguments are the same for all of them. Shostakovitch - unlike Wagner and Mendelssohn - was not written by one of those who find infoboxes horrible, - I looked, Henry Flower for much of the content. I think you know as well as I do that Project Composers' hidden notices are in no way binding. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:43, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to revert me, go for it; I won't dispute it. But I wish you worded your edit summary in a less adversarial sort of way. It's not like I was trying to bully that new user. I don't care about infoboxes one way or another; partisans of both sides of this issue seem to make good points to me. The only reason I reverted that user's edit was because I was led to believe there was a project-wide consensus against including infoboxes, unless consensus dictated otherwise at individual articles.

I had no idea that hidden notices are not binding. So why are they there? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:22, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They are there because in 2010, Project Composers ran an RfC - which I missed, I did my Bach cantatas in my corner, not much connected to any group. Of those who were against infoboxes, some died, some left, some are still there. They are the big names writing featured articles, Debussy, Wagner etc. - I don't want personal collision with them, they are also people. But for other articles, we could just use the common sense that a link to the list of works is more informative than a signature ;) - I grant myself only 1RR, so will not revert, same for Schnittke. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:40, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A gem from the long thing: "The question at hand is not whether advice pages are common, but whether a small group of editors can actually require other editors to follow the advice the first group wrote -- not, please note, by explaining why this infobox is inappropriate for this article, but merely by saying "We, the members of this WikiProject, say infoboxes are evil, and we WP:OWN this article, so you have to follow our rules". WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)" But they did it anyway. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:50, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

July songs

my story today

Today's music is played by my brother's orchestra, conducted by two very young men on their way up, - the picture was taken shortly after the invasion of Ukraine began, shortly before they played The Firebird Suite, that is, - more detail on my talk. Images reached the day of the Tenebrae concert mentioned in July. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:25, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you so much for the Tarantella below. How fitting, a dance on my brother's wedding day, the one who played in The Firebird. - Please watch my pages and articles - I'm away today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:55, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not without amusement I saw - after the weddings - that I told you (everybody, in the Classical music discussion) that the hidden notices are not binding on 9 March. I suggest you - neutral! - now raise the question about the parameters there, not in an rfc for just one composer. I'd go for DOB, POB, DOD, POD as a must, list of works also if there is one, and perhaps establish criteria on what else to use. If you look at Samuel Barber, even the "must" is not without controversy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:10, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. Thanks for the advice.

As I mentioned earlier, I get both sides. Thanks to your counseling, however, I include them almost invariably in articles I create (except when they're on the stubby side) because the issue is bound to come up sooner or later, with a landslide consensus in favor of adding one almost certain. So why fight it? :)

Hope the wedding was fun. It's been hot and humid here in Los Angeles. Like a lizard, I've been trying all week to lay low and find relief under cool, dark places. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:42, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The two weddings were great, just - because two on two consecutive days at places with some distance in between - I missed the dances of the couples both times. Pics to come, I promise one cake, the other was too large! Good music, and better even in the concert ending the second day, - Goldberg Variations theme for an encore, after Dohnányi Serenade. - My story today - a first - isn't about an article by me, but by you! For the album: Main page history. I like all: topic (should become GA, no?), "hook", connected article (a GA on its way towards FA), image and the music "in the background". Just returned from a weekend of weddings, I also like the spirit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:43, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I like that she had more clicks than the average TFA! - Again not by me: today's story - with the triumph of music over military - is uplifting! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:51, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Also, you might want to take a look at Alfred Schnittke... :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:16, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

done, smiled, smiled less for Cosima W. - One more day uploaded, with a wedding cake - I couldn't resist. Today's story is about the Inkpot Madonna who returned to "her place" 9 years ago, and also has aspects of early learning, see? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:29, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for that article. Very interesting! I admit to having a lifelong fondness for Catholic iconography, which seems to intensify the older I get. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:15, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't know that when I wrote it, about nine years ago ;) - It featured prominently in criticising our founder, - if you follow the link for "see?", - or - faster - User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 169#Annoying User, Good Content, continued User talk:Jimbo Wales/Archive 170#DYK about early learning. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today is the anniversary of the premiere of Götterdämmerung. Berit Lindholm sang its final scene in concert at the Royal Festival Hall in London, only four years after her stage debut in a Mozart opera in Stockholm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today I heard a delightful concert, "Himmlische Freuden", remembered having heard Vilde Frang (Bruch concerto, in Zürich, with my brother's orchestra) , and succeeded in preparing Renata Scotto's article enough for the Main page (which took two days). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today is Debussy's birthday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This too shall pass. - Ten years ago on 28 August, I heard a symphony, with a heavy heart because of the pending decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX, and not worried about my future here but Andy's. - It passed, and I could write the DYK about calling to dance, not battle, and Andy could write the DYK mentioning about peace and reconciliation, - look. - Congrats to the Piano Sonata GA! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:17, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

RoySmith (talk) 00:03, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Again, thank you very much for this article, in addition to the other Stravinsky works. I've seen your progress on Yekaterina as well, and I'm thoroughly impressed. MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:17, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your comment really means a lot to me. Thank you and, again, thanks for your everything you do to improve articles on classical music. :) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:44, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BorgQueen (talk) 00:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

		Hook update
		Your hook reached 37,390 views (1,557.9 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of August 2023 – nice work!

GalliumBot (talk • contribs) (he/it) 03:27, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do they come in different flavors of curry? CurryCity (talk) 22:50, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are regional varieties, as well as a style known as keema that is based on Indian curries, rather than traditional Japanese curry, which is a hybrid that somewhat resembles English stew. J-curry and curry pans are kind of an obsession of mine! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 00:54, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds delicious! I'll be sure to try some if I come across them. CurryCity (talk) 21:02, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Please read the comment I posted on the Talk:Arnold Schoenberg. Maurice Magnus (talk) 23:43, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. I posted a reply back at the Schoenberg talk page. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 17:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for compromising. I added it to Further reading. Maurice Magnus (talk) 18:03, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Of course! To clarify what my edit summaries did not, I had nothing against the review itself. My only concern was that its citation for the Sachs entry was not necessary. I should've moved the review to "Further reading", etc. myself, but I've been busy this week and just reverted. I'm sorry for the wrong impression I caused, but glad everything worked out! —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 18:08, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Been a while in the queue, so it's nice to finally see it on the front page! Great work! MyCatIsAChonk (talk) (not me) (also not me) (still no) 00:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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September songs

my story today

Thank you for a different taste in DYK ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Now pics around a memorable concert, and the story of Walter Arlen, - proud that I survived the decision in WP:ARBINFOBOX for 10 years, standing and singing --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:08, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I met Walter Arlen in 2010. We talked about music in Los Angeles during the mid-20th century. Incredible to think that he lived for so long and with his mind vibrant and fresh as ever! Reminds me of a mentor of mine who was still alive back in 2010. In his boyhood, he had met both Artur Rodziński and Otto Klemperer when they were the music directors of the Los Angeles Philharmonic in the 1930s; later on he met and worked with countless others. Remarkable people whose destinies brushed against those of men who, to me at least, were starry names in a glittery distant past by the time I discovered music. Nothing but the memories remain... —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 03:59, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Those memories of Arlen must be great! I fondly remember - on a smaller scale - Erhard Egidi, who was the first in my life fascinated by Mahler, and who conducted Jesu, meine Freude ("stand and sing ...", I sang tenor at the time) the day before my grandfather was buried - a lasting memory. - One of two where I knew pricately that he died before there was an official notice. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:22, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today's story is about a great pianist with an unusual career, taking off when he was 50. It's the wedding anniversary of Clara and Robert Schumann, but I was too late with our gift. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Today I remember Raymond Arritt, who still helps me, five years after he died, per what he said in my darkest time on Wikipedia (placed in my edit-notice as a reminder), and by teh rulez. - Latest pics from a weekend in Berlin (one more day to come). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:32, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations to your latest GA! - Did you see who played Chopin's Piano Concerto No. 1? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:43, 21 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My story today is The Company of Heaven ("company" with a double meaning, but angelic company in the end). - Pictures of the one more day yes, but no others yet, it's a week with concert or opera almost every night! Early Schnittke! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kremer! Glad he's keeping Schnittke alive. I feel that the international enthusiasm for his music has dimmed since his death. (He is still highly regarded in Russia.) Even Levon Akopyan [ru], in general a Schnittke supporter, says some surprisingly negative things in his overview of Soviet music. (Then again, he also occasionally has some harsh words for Prokofiev and Shostakovich!) —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]